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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Nozz. Don't waste your time. The last election taught us all we need to know about conservatives.

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    Thats so funny.

    I ask about him making the claim that I reposted stuff from Newsmax - thats
    all. He could not back up that claim, as I NEVER reposted anything from
    newsmax. Its a simple thing, he said I did, I asked where, and he could
    not backup his allegation.

    Black and white.

    Yet, I get called into question?


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    Ok, so you agree I never posted anything from Newsmax, and sources such
    as that - even though you accused me of it.
    Were you ranting about Al Gore and the internet, or not?
    Makes sense. And here we thought Hottrotter was the only troll in the
    thread.
    Whatever.
    And the tires burning? I was there. I responded. Now, with you being
    well over 100 miles from there, did you respond?
    Irrelevant. Please do post any and all evidence of Al Gore intentionally burning tires, an allegation found only on rightwing rant sites ran by marginalized idiots. Otherwise, your post is worthless crap and merely an attempt to flame.
    Nozz. Don't waste your time. The last election taught us all we need to know about conservatives.
    I know, I know. They've supported a fool of a president for years, scewing the nation and causing the deaths of untold thousands, wiping their asses with the Constitution while wrapping themselves in the flag, and costing us trillions of dollars in the process. But all they have is "Clinton did it! Clinton did it!" and baseless attacks on Al Gore because he dares to call for a change in business as usual to ensure a better future for our children and their children.
    Global warming and the environment are not important because Al Gore supposedly set some tires on fire years ago. Pathetic...just pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Were you ranting about Al Gore and the internet, or not?
    Nope. Never ranted. Posted some facts, that you find distasteful, but
    never a rant.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post

    Irrelevant. Please do post any and all evidence of Al Gore intentionally burning tires, an allegation found only on rightwing rant sites ran by marginalized idiots. Otherwise, your post is worthless crap and merely an attempt to flame.
    Nope, just facts. I was there. For much longer than I wanted to be.

    You don't believe it, fine. TN State Air Polution Control was there,
    contact them if you want. http://www.state.tn.us/environment/apc/
    I personally could give a rip if you believe me or not.

    The fact remains, you made a baseless allegation when you said I reposted
    newsmax articles, you were called on it, and you are not enough of a man
    to admit that you were incorrect.

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    Nope. Never ranted. Posted some facts, that you find distasteful, but
    never a rant.
    Hardly.
    Nope, just facts. I was there. For much longer than I wanted to be.
    Right. And that has what to do with your underhanded attempt at accusing Al Gore of intentionally setting the fires? I'm sure that with all your evidence in hand, you could easily have him convicted in a court of law for arson, right? Otherwise, you're simply making baseless accusations which makes you little more than a uninformed liar, doesn't it?
    The fact remains, you made a baseless allegation when you said I reposted
    newsmax articles, you were called on it, and you are not enough of a man
    to admit that you were incorrect.
    If you want to play games, I only stated what SC didn't do...and your blather is exactly what constitutes the majority of what the rightwingnuts spout on websites, be it the Freepers, Newsbusters, Newsmax, or others. Show me a reference to anything you've ranted about on Al Gore that didn't originate on one of these sites, or something similar.

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    The whole democratic party is a joke....hence the reason they WILL lose the general election in 08...Im even willing to bet they lose the Senate too. They have moves WAY to far to the left after the 06 election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace View Post
    There are no plug in Hybrids on the market yet, once they get their initial charge at the battery factory, all charging comes from the regeneration and the on-board gasoline engine. Sine you would be otherwise using the gasoline engine for propulsion they are not burning any additional carbon based fuel than would already be burned. You really don't help the arguement that Al Gore is not good for the country.
    http://www.motorists.org/ma/1100027274.html

    What you fail to realize is that the generator places and an additiona lload on the gas engine, thus you not only burn the fuel needed to propel the car but you also burn additional fuel to recharge the batteries. In any electrical system the power out = the power in - loses. Electrictiy is never free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Following the leadership of 15 year olds has always worked well for me. While I admire her work and effort I'll be taking my guidance from folks who are just a bit more seasoned.
    Well that 15 year old actually did the research. And if you start doing a little yourself you will find that many of those top climatologist who supported global warming are changing their stance. They are getting more data nad have found they were wrong. So just like George Bush lied to us about Iraq, these Global Warming folks have lied to us as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    So just like George Bush lied to us about Iraq, these Global Warming folks have lied to us as well.
    At least you now admit that Bush lied about Iraq. As far as climatologists changing their positions. Only time will tell. Creating debate on the matter isn't a bad thing. If the Global Warming crowd is wrong the worst that happens is we have cleaner air. Now what is the worst that could happen if Bush lied about Iraq. Oh yeah, we're seeing it in real time.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Electrictiy is never free.
    Sure it is...when you're slowing down. Hybrids use the energy that is usually turned to heat to help recharge their batteries. Recovering energy that is normally wasted spells "free" to me.

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    As far as climatologists changing their positions. Only time will tell. Creating debate on the matter isn't a bad thing. If the Global Warming crowd is wrong the worst that happens is we have cleaner air.
    Hey, let's just keep pumping billions of tons of crap into the air every year because some 15 year old girl said that, according to her extensive knowledge and experience, it's ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    At least you now admit that Bush lied about Iraq. As far as climatologists changing their positions. Only time will tell. Creating debate on the matter isn't a bad thing. If the Global Warming crowd is wrong the worst that happens is we have cleaner air. Now what is the worst that could happen if Bush lied about Iraq. Oh yeah, we're seeing it in real time.
    Perhaps, but at what cost? I don't know about you but I'm not independently wealthy. Look at what this stupid Ethanol stuff is doing to food prices now. And now they have found that in the end, Ethanol saves nothing.

    And once again, you missed the point, Bush nor the Global Warming folks lied to us. Both formed their opinions and thoughts based on faulty data; that is not lying. As for Iraq, I know the people of Iraq are better off because we are there. However, I personally believe we don't need to be sticking our noses in anybody elses business. We need t obring all of our troops home to defend our own country. We need to stop worrying about what everyone else is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Sure it is...when you're slowing down. Hybrids use the energy that is usually turned to heat to help recharge their batteries. Recovering energy that is normally wasted spells "free" to me.
    Well then, let me explain how it is not free. In order to generate electricity while slowing down you need to add the hardware to do it. You also need to add the controls and software. All of that stuff cost money. The only time it works is when you are slowing down. I don't know about you, but I only slow down about 2% of the time. The rest of the time I am accelerating or maintaining a constant speed.

    As for the 15 year old girl, perhaps you should take notice and read her work. She did the research. She didn't listen to the hype of the political crowd, yo know, people like Al Gore. She looked at the facts, things like the CO2 levels are about 800 years behind the warming. Of course, unlike Al Gore, she has nothing to gain. Gore stands to make a lot of money. And Gore doesn't really believe it himself. Anybody with annual electrical cost of $29,000 (more than a lot of folks makes) isn't serious about cutting emissions at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Hey, let's just keep pumping billions of tons of crap into the air every year because some 15 year old girl said that, according to her extensive knowledge and experience, it's ok.
    Must suck to know a 15 year old is wioser than you when it comes to global warming. Then again, she uses competent sources from the scientific community. And really, since the billions of tons of crap we pump into that air aren't causing any harm, why worry? I recall years ago there was this big thing about acid rain. So the politicos jump on the bandwagon and cut emissions into the air. And you know what? The acid levels in the lakes and streams are still the same. Billions of dollars wasted to fix nothing. It's sort of like put a new carburator on your car to fix a flat tire. And hey, what happened to the global warming being caused by the ozone depleting substances. Suddenly, it is the COs emissions not the ozone. Somebody already made their money off the ozone scare.

    Perhaps you should take the lead of the 15 year old and educate yourself as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    As for Iraq, I know the people of Iraq are better off because we are there.
    In what way? The real test will be how well off they are when we leave.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    I recall years ago there was this big thing about acid rain. So the politicos jump on the bandwagon and cut emissions into the air. And you know what? The acid levels in the lakes and streams are still the same. Billions of dollars wasted to fix nothing.
    Apparently that isn't the case in Canada.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Must suck to know a 15 year old is wioser than you when it comes to global warming.
    Whatever. A search on the girl yields nothing but rightwing rant sites and blogs. Hardly convincing to me.
    And really, since the billions of tons of crap we pump into that air aren't causing any harm, why worry?
    That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on these forums.
    And hey, what happened to the global warming being caused by the ozone depleting substances.
    Two separate, but connected issues. Quit trying to mislead...or maybe you're so ignorant, you don't even understand the differences.
    Well then, let me explain how it is not free. In order to generate electricity while slowing down you need to add the hardware to do it. You also need to add the controls and software. All of that stuff cost money. The only time it works is when you are slowing down. I don't know about you, but I only slow down about 2% of the time. The rest of the time I am accelerating or maintaining a constant speed.
    Absolutely ridiculous, and completely irrelevant. Your math is about as good as it was when you posted your silly figures on gas tax.
    As for the 15 year old girl, perhaps you should take notice and read her work. She did the research. She didn't listen to the hype of the political crowd, yo know, people like Al Gore. She looked at the facts, things like the CO2 levels are about 800 years behind the warming. Of course, unlike Al Gore, she has nothing to gain. Gore stands to make a lot of money. And Gore doesn't really believe it himself. Anybody with annual electrical cost of $29,000 (more than a lot of folks makes) isn't serious about cutting emissions at all.
    Absolutely aburd. Even a quick glance at her work reveals that it is mostly rhetoric, which goes a long way towards explaining why its only hazaas are coming from right wing hack sites, blogs, and guys like you. Al Gore is taking steps to make his home more efficient, as should we all. Yes, he lives in an older, larger home...but at least he's doing something. In fact, he's doing several things to improve the efficiency of his home. What would you have him do? Move his offices into a trailer somewhere? And what part about Al Gore having an inefficient home makes human impact on climate change untrue? It's just another diversionary tactic, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    In what way? The real test will be how well off they are when we leave.
    Less Genocide. Better living conditions. Just last week we found a facility with naked starving kids in it. But like you say we will leave Iraq, I wonder why we haven't left the former Yugoslav Republic.

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    You don't need to listen to the 15 year old or me, listen to the experts on Global Warming

    http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c..._id=&Issue_id=

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    You don't need to listen to the 15 year old or me...
    Thanks, I stopped listening to you long ago.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Thanks, I stopped listening to you long ago.
    Unfortunately, you don't listen to the scientist either.

    Geophysicist Dr. Claude Allegre, a top geophysicist and French Socialist who has authored more than 100 scientific articles and written 11 books and received numerous scientific awards including the Goldschmidt Medal from the Geochemical Society of the United States, converted from climate alarmist to skeptic in 2006. Allegre, who was one of the first scientists to sound global warming fears 20 years ago, now says the cause of climate change is "unknown" and accused the “prophets of doom of global warming” of being motivated by money, noting that "the ecology of helpless protesting has become a very lucrative business for some people!"

    Geologist Bruno Wiskel of the University of Alberta recently reversed his view of man-made climate change and instead became a global warming skeptic. Wiskel was once such a big believer in man-made global warming that he set out to build a “Kyoto house” in honor of the UN sanctioned Kyoto Protocol which was signed in 1997. Wiskel wanted to prove that the Kyoto Protocol’s goals were achievable by people making small changes in their lives. But after further examining the science behind Kyoto, Wiskel reversed his scientific views completely and became such a strong skeptic, that he recently wrote a book titled “The Emperor's New Climate: Debunking the Myth of Global Warming.”

    I can get more, but you don't listen anyway.

    Maybe you will believe this guy
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle522744.ece

    I love this line!!

    "“Global warming is a largely natural phenomenon. The world is wasting stupendous amounts of money on trying to fix something that can’t be fixed,” he said."
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