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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    I received this in an email, just thought I would pass it along

    About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
    What a surprise. Something pops into Trots Inbox and he believes it to be gospel.

    The Scottish history professor Alexander Tyler is mostly ficticious. Nor do any tomes from him about Athenian democracy or its demise exist.

    I have to give you "A" for consistency. Consistently moronic.
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    What a surprise. Something pops into Trots Inbox and he believes it to be gospel.
    Pathetic...simply pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    What a surprise. Something pops into Trots Inbox and he believes it to be gospel.

    You mean-it insn't?

    I was always wondering why I always a needed a 'few extra inches' (or how THEY found out), or how some prince in hiding needed to use my bank account to launder his money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    What a surprise. Something pops into Trots Inbox and he believes it to be gospel.

    The Scottish history professor Alexander Tyler is mostly ficticious. Nor do any tomes from him about Athenian democracy or its demise exist.

    I have to give you "A" for consistency. Consistently moronic.
    I never said that I believed or disbelieved it. I just passed it along. Truth be known, I donít put much faith in any thing that comes form the internet, as you see from your article, the integrity of the data is often very suspect.

    What is really interesting is the facts are for the most part accurate. The only point of contention is the quote From Alexander Tyler. The book referenced in the article is available on line. It is really a good read. There are several sections that talk to governments getting greedy which leads to their ultimate demise.

    It looks like the quote might be some paraphrased version of the entire chapter in the book.

    I would recommend you take some time to read this. It is very interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    What is really interesting is the facts are for the most part accurate. The only point of contention is the quote From Alexander Tyler. The book referenced in the article is available on line. It is really a good read. There are several sections that talk to governments getting greedy which leads to their ultimate demise.
    Like which part is mostly accurate?

    Trotter, you keep posting these items. And it only reinforces what we know about you.
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    Trotter, you keep posting these items. And it only reinforces what we know about you.
    Next thing you know, he'll be quoting stuff from Spiderman comic books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Next thing you know, he'll be quoting stuff from Spiderman comic books.
    I can see it now...

    Peter Parker: I want to make love to you, Mary Jane
    Mary Jane: Peter, you left your condoms in the living room..
    Peter Parker: No problem.. let me grab my web shooter..

    fwip!

    Mary Jane: Oh Peter... you're so resourceful!
    PS: Spiderman is far beyond Trot's comprehension... this is more his speed..
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Like which part is mostly accurate?

    Trotter, you keep posting these items. And it only reinforces what we know about you.
    Well if you were to read the information on the link you gave you would have seen the only thingh that is of issue is the quote, no one is disputing any of the data presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Next thing you know, he'll be quoting stuff from Spiderman comic books.
    At least I have quotes. All you have is the stuff that you make up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Well if you were to read the information on the link you gave you would have seen the only thingh that is of issue is the quote, no one is disputing any of the data presented.
    No one is wasting their time since the claim is falsehood from the start. But I would like to hear about your extensive research into the rise and fall of democracies and the causes of both.

    For starters you can show us how many successful democracies have been created through external intervention.
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    At least I have quotes. All you have is the stuff that you make up.
    Yeah...good one. How's that math coming?
    For starters you can show us how many successful democracies have been created through external intervention.
    Easy, SC; he may not be able to count that high.

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    PS: Spiderman is far beyond Trot's comprehension... this is more his speed..
    Heh! Now that was funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    No one is wasting their time since the claim is falsehood from the start. But I would like to hear about your extensive research into the rise and fall of democracies and the causes of both.

    For starters you can show us how many successful democracies have been created through external intervention.
    Germany comes to mind. Bosnia, Kosovo, to name a couple of others.

    FFFRED, great post, that says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Germany comes to mind. Bosnia, Kosovo, to name a couple of others.
    Huh? Comes to mind for what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Huh? Comes to mind for what.
    For starters you can show us how many successful democracies have been created through external intervention.

    Germany comes to mind. Bosnia, Kosovo, to name a couple of others. And I'm sure there are some others, we have been sticking our noses in other peoples business for 100 years. LMAO Just thought of another one. How about Israel??

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    How many countries have turned from democracy by our intervention?

    Iraq, Iran, Cuba, Vietnam, Korea, Panama and a coalition of other countries.

    Democracy cannot be forced onto a people. They have to want it and they have to fight for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post

    Germany comes to mind.
    Germany had been a democracy prior to Hitler's seizing power. The population was familiar with the concept.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Bosnia, Kosovo, to name a couple of others.
    Thank you President Clinton.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    How about Israel??
    What about Israel. They've been a democracy since their inception in the late 40's. Who or what was the external force?
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    Germany had been a democracy prior to Hitler's seizing power. The population was familiar with the concept.[/QUOTE]

    And we restored it.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Thank you President Clinton.
    And if you thank Bill Clinton for Bosnia and Kosovo then you must use consistent logic and than George Bush for Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    What about Israel. They've been a democracy since their inception in the late 40's. Who or what was the external force?
    An who was a major force in the creation of Israel and has pumped billions into the military machine there? Who has also supported Israel as the put down Muslims and other Arabs? That's right, the United States.

    Come to think of it, didn't we have something to do with Iran getting a constitution in 1979 and installing a democracy there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    And we restored it.
    The population was prepared to reinvigorate a democracy. Something that can't be said in Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    And if you thank Bill Clinton for Bosnia and Kosovo then you must use consistent logic and than George Bush for Iraq.
    If Bush had used logic or a consistent reason for invading Iraq the analogy might apply. Sadly it doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    An who was a major force in the creation of Israel and has pumped billions into the military machine there? Who has also supported Israel as the put down Muslims and other Arabs? That's right, the United States.
    Supplying military might has nothing to do with the populace desiring a democratic form of government.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Come to think of it, didn't we have something to do with Iran getting a constitution in 1979 and installing a democracy there?
    And we should be prepared for an Islamic government that takes hold in Iraq similar to the one in Iran. A government that speaks of us as the Great Satan. Thank you Georgie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Pathetic...simply pathetic.
    Do you ever post when it is not abusive, insulting, or poor taste?

    Perhaps that is why you had to go to internet dating - every female
    local to you decided you were too much of a creep?

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    Do you ever post when it is not abusive, insulting, or poor taste?
    Wow...just read this. When I post about many issues with the righties here, I mean to insult. Don't like it? Cry me a river.
    Perhaps that is why you had to go to internet dating - every female
    local to you decided you were too much of a creep?
    A personal attack. Imagine that. Talk about poor taste. What's wrong with meeting girls on the internet? I've met a lot of nice girls that way. What are you? Some kind of backwoods hick? You should try it...or just stick to the "pick up the first fat drunk chick that looks at you" method you're used to using at the local watering hole, I guess. Whatever works for you.

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