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    There is a small career department nearby that pay the shift commanders as hourly employees and they are are able to be in the Union.

    My question is this: Does your dept. have the shift commanders as exempt or non-exempt personnel as related to paying overtime to them?

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    HUH? Your question does not make any sense. Our shift commanders are Battalion Chiefs. They are hourly employees just like the rest of us. They are in the union and get boat loads of overtime. I don't understand the exempt/non-exempt thing!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithA8 View Post
    HUH? Your question does not make any sense. Our shift commanders are Battalion Chiefs. They are hourly employees just like the rest of us. They are in the union and get boat loads of overtime. I don't understand the exempt/non-exempt thing!?!?

    We're in the same boat as you Keith, our "shift commanders" are the Battalion Chief's, and they are the highest ranking position that you can hold while still being in the union. Once you move on to Deputy Chief or Chief (which would be at your discretion to apply to of course) you become management exempt...in other words, you leave the union and become a member of administration/management.

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    Our four captains are the shift supervisors and are in the union. The Asst. Chief works days and is also a union member. The chief and I are the only FSLA exempt members of the FD.
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    Cool How We Do It........

    In my Career Department it works like this......

    Highest rank in the Union..... Captain

    Or "Shift Commanders" are Battalion Chiefs and they are Management, Non-Union Employees. If they work extra shifts they get "Comp Time" that is like our Vacation and PPL.
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    Everyone from the rank of Firefighter to Deputy Chief is in the Local.
    As a Deputy, I still get overtime (not much.. mostly for off duty recalls and hazmat coverage).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyboy View Post
    In my Career Department it works like this......

    Highest rank in the Union..... Captain
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    Everyone but Chief of Dept. is in the union and receives OT. Although we are considered management,(by our municipal gov't) officers are not excempt. There is no such thing as comp time in our dept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithA8 View Post
    HUH? Your question does not make any sense. Our shift commanders are Battalion Chiefs. They are hourly employees just like the rest of us. They are in the union and get boat loads of overtime. I don't understand the exempt/non-exempt thing!?!?
    Employees are classified either as exempt or non-exempt personnel. Exempt personnel are not allowed overtime and are generally considered salary; they may or may not take "comp time", depends on the organizational structure.

    Non-exempt personnel are paid overtime in accordance with the FSLA.

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    Everyone, except for the Chief, belongs to the Union including the lieutenants that are the shift commanders.

    The department does have comp time. The employee has the option of taking comp time instead of OT pay. The same holds true for training that is taken off duty. The catch....if the comp time is not used by June, then the employee recieves the equivalent in OT pay.

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    The only officers not in our local are the Chief Of Department, and Assisitant Chiefs, and they are not eligible for OT. All DC's, Capts, and Lts are in, and are eligible for OT. Comp time is available for every union member for attending classes, department business, and training. It is not offered instead of OT, you use it within one year of earning it, or you lose it.
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    callaway you may want to look into that comp time issue.. I think they are forced to pay you for that and you can't just "lose it"

    As for us, shift commanders are captains, and they are in the union.

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    Our Shift commanders is an Assistant Chief for every shift, and they are all Union, and eligible for extra shifts and overtime. Only person thats non-union is the almighty chief...

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    Our shift commanders (three station career dept) are Captains. Lieutenants (company officers) and Captains are salaried on biweekly payroll, but are paid at their constructed OT rate for additional shifts and callbacks. Comp time is optional in lieu of pay.

    Callaway - you seriously need to look into the loss of earned comp time. Look at the Department of Labor website under the Wage and Hour division. If you work, you MUST be compensated.
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