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    Default FF Shoots People For Fireworks

    Off duty FF shoots people for using fire works.




    (7/05/07 - CLEVELAND, OH) - A neighbor apparently angry about fireworks at a noisy Fourth of July party shot three people to death early Thursday and wounded two others, police said.

    Terrance Hough Jr., a 35-year-old off-duty firefighter, was arrested in connection with the shootings, police spokesman Lt. Thomas Stacho said.

    No charges had been filed Thursday morning because police were still gathering evidence and interviewing witnesses, Stacho said. There was no phone listing for Hough's address.

    Police had received a number of complaints in recent years about loud parties, fireworks and drag racing connected to the house where the victims were shot, Stacho said. Some complaint calls came from Hough's address, but no one called police about the party Thursday night.

    The neighbors were throwing a party when two men and a woman, all in their 20s, were shot to death shortly after midnight, Stacho said. He said another man was shot in the elbow and a woman was wounded in the hand.

    A police officer who lives nearby heard the shooting and arrested Hough, Stacho said. He said a handgun believed to have been used in the shootings was among a dozen guns found at the home.

    The area of neat ranch homes overlooking the industrial Cuyahoga River valley is popular among firefighters and police officers who are required to live in the city.

    Near Seattle, another man was shot during an argument at a fireworks celebration and died after aid workers trying to help him felt threatened by a hostile crowd, authorities said.

    More than 100 people were present when the two men began arguing around 11:30 p.m. Wednesday in a parking lot in Skyway, an unincorporated area between Seattle and Renton, Wash. Paramedics called after the shooting found the crowd so threatening, they had to quickly take the wounded man out to continue CPR, said David Nelson, a spokesman for county Fire District 20.

    Sheriff's Detective Bob L. Conner said it was unclear whether moving the man before continuing CPR was a factor in his death. King County sheriff's deputies were searching for the suspect.
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    well... you know, everyone has had that pesky neighboor that keeps you up every once in a while doing something stupid. Maybe the man just could not take it anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    well... you know, everyone has had that pesky neighboor that keeps you up every once in a while doing something stupid. Maybe the man just could not take it anymore?

    LOL what gave that impression
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    Sometimes it does seem as if the law enforcement agencies do very little to help us wih those annoyances around where we live.......still, this was wrong.

    It will be interesting to hear what sort of stressful scene he may have been exposed to before this event.......as a firefighter, I am sure he is stressed enough day to day.

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    It will be interesting to hear what sort of stressful scene he may have been exposed to before this event.......as a firefighter, I am sure he is stressed enough day to day.
    Without me making any comments one way or another, I'd like people to compare this to the thread where the grandmother of the kid shot by a 71 y/o marine was berated for making excuses about her grandson.
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    Anyone know where he was stationed?
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    Another reason for doing background checks and psych test....

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    Another reason for doing background checks and psych test....

    A monkey could do it....

    hell I know. I did it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    Without me making any comments one way or another, I'd like people to compare this to the thread where the grandmother of the kid shot by a 71 y/o marine was berated for making excuses about her grandson.
    I am not sure if your comment was directed towards mine in some way, but I'll clarify. I forgot to mention in the comment that there could have been a failure on the part of his department to properly administer a CISD after a troublesome response, which may have led to a "break down' of sorts. I would not be surprised to see this as a potential judicial defense.

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    If he were a plumber. an accountant or an IT professional.. would it make the national news?

    I don't think so...
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    Question How old is "kids"?

    Just a couple of questions--in the comments on the video a person refers to "Children being shot" then goes on to say they were 20yrs old.How old would you have to be, to regard them as adults? And yes, I realise a 60yr old can be the child of a 90yr old

    If the referred 20yr olds are children --what would you address the Explorer/Cadet faction as? Babies?
    And still on the 20yr old children--how many servicemen-sorry servicechildren- are in the firing line in a "hot" area as we speak?


    Tell you one thing if the alleged gunman was on my watch I would never take his car parking spot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooanfrom View Post
    Just a couple of questions--in the comments on the video a person refers to "Children being shot" then goes on to say they were 20yrs old.How old would you have to be, to regard them as adults? And yes, I realise a 60yr old can be the child of a 90yr old

    If the referred 20yr olds are children --what would you address the Explorer/Cadet faction as? Babies?
    And still on the 20yr old children--how many servicemen-sorry servicechildren- are in the firing line in a "hot" area as we speak?


    Tell you one thing if the alleged gunman was on my watch I would never take his car parking spot

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    If he were a plumber. an accountant or an IT professional.. would it make the national news?

    I don't think so...
    Some one shooting someone over fireworks on the Forth of July? Damn right it would still make the news, only difference would be that the perp's job might not be listed. It would still make the national news, we just would not care and would just mark it up as another kook a**hole, but here he is one of OUR kook a**holes, so we take a little more notice.
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    The latest was just on the news here. He was an 11 year veteran. The one neighbor was on the tv saying that he couldn't believe it was someone from the safety forces. The innocent victims include his wife and children.
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    Nice job mdd2121 on acquiring the audio. WOW!!!! I'm surprised it was released so soon. I'm sure his wife and kid(s) need the union's support right now until everything is unraveled.

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    i love how he has to be an off duty firefighter, not just a regular guy who got ****ed at some kids. By that i mean they label him as a firefighter even though the subject has no relation to that. Retarded how the news operates sometimes ain't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihlrad View Post
    Retarded how the news operates sometimes ain't it.
    This has been discussed a thousand times. Like it or not, firefighters are public figures held to a higher standard of public trust. When a firefighter screws up -- on or off the job -- you can always expect the press to mention somewhere that s/he's a firefighter. Any reporter who didn't make mention of ti wouldn't be a very good reporter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    If he were a plumber. an accountant or an IT professional.. would it make the national news?

    I don't think so...
    I totally agree chief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdd2121 View Post
    33's house. West 117th Street and Linnett Avenue


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    Ya, right, we never see news stories about murders unless they are fire fighters.

    That's right, don't be upset that another "human" took the lives of 3 other human being. Just be upset they mention he was a fire fighter.
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