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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Of course I would want the rules enforced. I think the problem is when someone comes across as less than disingenuous. If you really read the posts, this guy either called OSHA or was complicit with someone who did. OSHA allegedly has confidentiality rules. But a real man would not hide behind those rules. A man would stand up for what is right and do it in public.
    I can't say as I would argue with you there. I did take some notice of the whole file thing and I don't really think it's relevant other than potential harassment of a reporter.

    I've been on both sides of OSHA complaints outside of the fire service, but it's a tool that like anything is beneficial of used in the right way. If someone did it just to "get back" at someone, it's a crock. If there's a real issue, I say go for it, but it's usually better received if you go straight to the top and address them first, then report if nothing gets done.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

    Instead of anonymously complaining on an internet forum...

    DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE!
    Since basically you're calling me a coward, I'll try one more time to get this in your thick skull. I DID NOT CALL OSHA, NOR DO I KNOW WHO DID! I also smell a rat, The "files" that contained "important records" which were "stolen" contained nothing. I know this because I am the person that would put something in there if there was something to put in. The records in question are Hose testing, Pump testing, SCBA fit testing, SCBA inspections, and vehicle inspections. I don't know about you, but if I'm packed up and on the end of a hose, there better be know doubt that that hose isn't going to fail, that pack doesn't stop giving me air, or tell me when I'm gonna run out, that my hose doesn't go limp cuz the pump croaked, or that the engine is on fire cuz no one checked the oil, or cleaned the mouse nest off the exhaust manifold. I personally consider these to be IDLH. If you disagree then fine, don't try to blame me.

    I also prefer to work things out in house, I'm former Navy, I work the chain of command if I have too. I've been working on this for 3 yrs, and I believe it will take longer.

    I may be career now, I started volunteer, I still volunteer, I volunteer as an EMT on 2 squads, one of which doesn't charge for its services, I'll be volunteer till I die. By the way, I've only been career for 3 months, 3 whopping months. This OSHA crap, Has been going on longer that that. The first time OSHA came I was some dumb kid in college that didn't even know what was entailed in fire suppression, or community service. So this isn't about Volunteer vs. career.

    I started this forum to seek advice, because as I said a few times already, I DID NOT CALL/WRITE OSHA AND I DON'T KNOW WHO DID! I DID NOT "STEAL" THE FILES, NOR DO I KNOW WHO DID!

    I'm getting the blame for it, and I was seeking advice on what I should do.

    Now I'm getting attacked here, I'm starting to think the brotherhood really is dead.

    As for my accusations, maybe I'm out in left field. Yes, they are unproven. They are an observation of mine, and if I could verbally speak to you, you could see my point, I'm not saying it's true, I just think it could very well could be.

    So thank you for the personal attacks, I rather enjoyed them, could you pull the knife out of my back that my cheif first stuck in, and you pounded in with a sledge hammer.

    Once again I DID NOT CALL/WRITE OSHA AND I DON'T KNOW WHO DID! I DID NOT "STEAL" THE FILES, NOR DO I KNOW WHO DID!

    Since I'm apparently not a man to just fix things, which is what I'm trying to do, because I'm a coward anymonously complaining on the internet I wouldn't sign out as myself.

    Thanks for the misinterpretation,

    Joshua Gerald Guard

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    If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

    Instead of anonymously complaining on an internet forum...

    DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

    Instead of anonymously complaining on an internet forum...

    DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE!
    Are you stupid!? Read my previous post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

    Instead of anonymously complaining on an internet forum...

    DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE!
    Speaking of which, listen to your own advice.

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    Haha, wow, this thread went south fast. One thing I have come to learn about people on here is that as long as the topic is about firefighting, EMS, rescue, or other emergency issues then you get some real great and intelligent responses.

    Now as far as advice, I have also noticed that as long as you come on here looking for advice to personally better yourself (which I have done several times on issues dealing with my EMT school and learning how to become a better firefighter) then people tend to respond greatly and really want to help.

    But when people come on here trying to put down other people with little or no proof then these are the types of responses you get. You also have to look at it this way……

    OSHA is (I believe because the fire departments here don’t really deal much with OSHA) a government agency. Plus you mentioned something about the state police getting involved. Don’t you think that a matter such as this where federal and state agencies are involved should kind of be a “hush-hush” thing and not come on a public website to disclose your “intuitions” on missing files and OSHA investigations.

    I know your seeking advice, but watch how you present yourself. You said yourself that you do not even know if the chief took the files but yet you make it sound as if you are pointing the finger at him. You’re making accusations that you yourself aren’t even sure about.

    And think of this, you are commenting on an ongoing investigation on a public website for hundreds of people to see. That’s not a good thing. Imagine what could happen is your department, or OSHA, or the police got wind of what is being said on this website.

    By the way, if all that is really missing is two envelops then what the hell is the big deal anyway.

    Another thing, who has access to where the files were kept? Does only the chief and officers have access to department files or does everyone?

    You’re digging yourself into a hole. The chief is the ultimate responsibility for the department. If there are problems with the department then the only person to blame is the chief himself, unless there are discrepancies in training, which is the responsibility of the training officer, who is still under the supervision of the chief.

    Sounds to me as if your department is trying to cover up for files that never existed. But hey, I’m not a cop.

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    Look into the Beverly Hills Supper Club fire back around the 70's and see what happens when files come up "missing".

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    Wel Joshua,

    Welcome to the ranks of those who seem to come here with the sole intent of destroying their fire service careers. What would make you think identifying yourself here and bitching about your FD would lead to any good? Well if in fact you are who you say you are and not someone else setting this guy up.

    If I were you I would delete all of this stuff and hope no one on your FD saw it.

    Nothing good will come out of you posting ths here.

    FyredUp

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinFFVFD View Post
    Another thing, who has access to where the files were kept? Does only the chief and officers have access to department files or does everyone?
    Everyone had access, however since the files turned up missing, only the chief has access, and he will not let anyone, even escorted, access.

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinFFVFD View Post
    Sounds to me as if your department is trying to cover up for files that never existed. But hey, I’m not a cop.
    That's kinda what I've been hinting at.


    Thank you for your advice, I will truly think about what you said.

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    Advise is real easy to give someone. I don't have to suffer the consequences if it's wrong. Guardo83, I truly hope this mess gets cleared up. Something tells me it won't. Take care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guardo83 View Post

    I also prefer to work things out in house,
    Joshua Gerald Guard
    Then why are you on here? I would leave your name out of this mess and any info of where your from under your screen name. It could be used against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday05 View Post
    Then why are you on here? I would leave your name out of this mess and any info of where your from under your screen name. It could be used against you.
    Read the post that you treadjacked that from, and that will tell you y I am here. I'm innocent in the matter, I've already agreed to take a polygraph, so how can it be used against me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guardo83 View Post
    Read the post that you treadjacked that from, and that will tell you y I am here. I'm innocent in the matter, I've already agreed to take a polygraph, so how can it be used against me?
    Why? Because some things are left better un-said, especially in a public forum. I would hope or think that you would have some trusted friends that you could go to and ask thier advise. You may be inocent as you say, but by placing your name (personal/dept) here, and your Chief finds out you could get in trouble for releasing information detramental to the department. Something about "Code of Ethics". Just a thought.

    T.J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guardo83 View Post
    Read the post that you treadjacked that from, and that will tell you y I am here. I'm innocent in the matter, I've already agreed to take a polygraph, so how can it be used against me?
    Here's a little tidbit that I learned during my 20 or so years in law enforcment"
    Agreeing to take a polygraph and taking a polygraph are two entirely different things. Let us know how you do when you are hooked up to the machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guardo83 View Post
    Read the post that you treadjacked that from, and that will tell you y I am here. I'm innocent in the matter, I've already agreed to take a polygraph, so how can it be used against me?
    I threadjacked your post huh? You come on here airing out your departments dirty laundry on here. My opinion is you allready put your whole department under the bus. You seem to have an axe to grind with the chief. In one statement you say the files are of no importance, then you are talking about hose test, scba tests and so on. All I can say is go take your polygraph test...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday05 View Post
    I threadjacked your post huh? You come on here airing out your departments dirty laundry on here. My opinion is you allready put your whole department under the bus. You seem to have an axe to grind with the chief. In one statement you say the files are of no importance, then you are talking about hose test, scba tests and so on. All I can say is go take your polygraph test...
    Learn to read.

    I'll let all of you flat earthers know when I passed the polygraph, now I know the brotherhood is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Here's a little tidbit that I learned during my 20 or so years in law enforcment"
    Agreeing to take a polygraph and taking a polygraph are two entirely different things. Let us know how you do when you are hooked up to the machine.
    I did nothing wrong, so why should I fear a polygraph?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guardo83 View Post

    Thanks for the misinterpretation,

    Joshua Gerald Guard
    Hey, NO PROBLEM...

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    Quote Originally Posted by guardo83 View Post
    I did nothing wrong, so why should I fear a polygraph?
    Even if you pass the polygraph and are proven innocent it will never repair the damage you have done yourself by airing the dirty laundry here complete with personal info and attacks on your chief.


    Innocence of a crime does not remove guilt of stupidity and the pointing of your finger of accusation.

    Ordinarily I would wish you good luck, but honestly you will need more than that at this point and I find your story immensely far fetched.

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    Last edited by FyredUp; 07-13-2007 at 10:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Ordinarily I would wish you good luck, but honestly you will need more than that at this point and I find your story immensely far fetched.

    FyredUp
    I agree FyredUp.

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