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    Default So how big is "Big"

    Saw the thread about the "best and worst" big departments which is probably going to become a train wreck, but it got me thinking how do people determine "big".

    Personally in my opinion less than 5 stations is a small department and more than 15 is a big department. Then you have some really big departments with 40+ stations (and a handful with a lot more).

    Simply how my brain works, departments with less than 5 stations usually seem to just cover the basics, some engines and maybe a truck or two, possibly a rescue (often with only 1-2 FF). 5-15 pretty much the same but possibly a few special call companies (hazmat, fully staffed rescue company, dozer, helicopter etc), departments with 15 of more stations usually have several special call companies, and at least some fulltime (as opposed to collateral duties) support functions like a fire prevention branch, investigators etc.

    Certainly there are departments out there that don't fit this mold but overall thats what it looks like to me. Just curious, not trying to bring anyone down.


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    To me- 20+ is big. (stations, not inches)

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    Any FD or VFD with more than 42 Stations.




























    We have 43............
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    Cops, trains and busses have stations, we live and work in firehouses.

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    Amen backstep I hate the term fire hall or station we live there for X amount of hrs a day in my case its 24hrs. In my book that makes it a house not a hall not a station
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    Well, this one girl told me once that it was "cute", does that count?










    OOOHHH, you meant that?


    At least triple digits then.
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    I prefer the term 'engine house'.



    Oh, and size is relative, isn't it?

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    Sorry guys, I like "station". To me, its more of a broad term.

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    So where would we fall then?: 363 Individual firefighting companies in
    143 (I think) Firehouses

    Not including:
    -EMS Quarters
    -Metro-Tech
    -5 Communications offices
    -Shops
    -Marine Companies
    -Support Vehicles (wreckers,chief cars, plumbers,electricians,tach units,spare rigs,haz-mat,decon trailers etc...etc...)

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    Any department with more than 50 members where at least 50% are actively involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ View Post
    So where would we fall then?: 363 Individual firefighting companies in
    143 (I think) Firehouses

    Not including:
    -EMS Quarters
    -Metro-Tech
    -5 Communications offices
    -Shops
    -Marine Companies
    -Support Vehicles (wreckers,chief cars, plumbers,electricians,tach units,spare rigs,haz-mat,decon trailers etc...etc...)
    Well Matty I guess there are small, medium, big, Bigger, Huge and......DAMN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ View Post
    So where would we fall then?: 363 Individual firefighting companies in
    143 (I think) Firehouses

    Not including:
    -EMS Quarters
    Not sure why but something about that statement brings a smile to my face... sweet. I hope it always stays that way.

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    CDF/CalFire

    Permanent FF's 3,800
    Seasonal FF's 1,400
    Volunteer FF's 5,600
    Inmate FF's 4,300

    Ranger units [Admin Regions] 23

    CDF Stations 228
    Municipal and Volunteer stations 575

    CDF Engines 575
    Municipal and Volunteer Engines 759
    Dozers 58
    Arial Trucks 38
    Rescue Squads 215
    Air Tankers 23
    Air Attacks 13
    Helicopters 13

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    According to the USFA (2005), there are 30,300 fire departments with 1,136,650 firefighters in the US.

    That makes the (mean) average number of firefighters per fire department 38.

    IOW, any fire department with more than 38 firefighters is already above average in size...

    (From that alone I think it's safe to assume that the number of firefighters per department doesn't follow anything even remotely resembling a normal distribution. )
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    Talking Do What??.............

    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzCut1 View Post
    CDF/CalFire

    Permanent FF's 3,800
    Seasonal FF's 1,400
    Volunteer FF's 5,600
    Inmate FF's 4,300

    Ranger units [Admin Regions] 23

    CDF Stations 228
    Municipal and Volunteer stations 575

    CDF Engines 575
    Municipal and Volunteer Engines 759
    Dozers 58
    Arial Trucks 38
    Rescue Squads 215
    Air Tankers 23
    Air Attacks 13
    Helicopters 13

    ONLY 38 TRUCK COMPANIES??............ Man, that ain't near enough to reach all of the trees.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by chattfiremike View Post
    Amen backstep I hate the term fire hall or station we live there for X amount of hrs a day in my case its 24hrs. In my book that makes it a house not a hall not a station
    If firefighters live there it's a house. If I spend around 110 days anywhere a year, I consider that at least a secondary residence.
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    LA County FD - 156 stations......and growing
    LAFD - 103
    That's pretty BIG




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    My dept......1 station.....HUGE!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU View Post
    To me- 20+ is big. (stations, not inches)

    Brett,
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    It's not how many stations you have, but how you use them.....
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