Apparatus "Rollover" Accidents:
It is apparent that the number of "rollovers" of apparatus while responding on a run, is on the increase. Nearly every few days, someone rolls one somewhere...usually while turning left, in dry road surface conditions. There seems to be a common thread here, and the first thing that comes to mind is...the driver was [obviously] moving too fast. The second is, maybe the vehicle was not designed to carry all that has been loaded onto it...since designed by the mfgr., i.e., it is now "top heavy." Thirdly, since the steering is so effortless now, and with automatic trans., possibily the driver has "lost the feel" of his rig, which by the way...one had without P/S and auto-trans. I cannot recall the rigs of the 50's hardly ever being in a rollover, therefore in my humble opinion...something is now out of order.
Regardless, it is becoming very serious and costly [in my opinion]. You cannot be of assistance to those in need...with your rig laying on it side, firefigher's injured, and equiment scattered all over the place. I hate to present a problem without a solution...but I am in no position to offer one at this time, except to "slow down while turning." ;)
* Mandatory Shift Change Operation *
I have a suggestion. Many times (typically larger departments), each shift taking the helm is required to run the equipment immediately after “acceptance” of the duty. Particularly this applies to aerials in my end of the business. The new shift is required to take it out on the apron, set it, lift it, rotate it, etc. Not only does this make sure the equipment is in good order, it gets people’s “head back in the game” after a couple days off.
That is my point. When a new shift takes charge, regardless of being a big or small Dept – I think it would be a good idea if the new drivers / operators were REQUIRED to take the rigs for a short spin just to get their “head back in the game” of a big apparatus rather than the Toyota they drove to shift.
I would be willing to bet good money that the majority of these rollovers (And other accidents) happen during a new shift’s “First Out” call. TL
Lots of god points I feel the same TOOMAny accidents
The rigs with auto trannys 3000 gallons plus equipted like a class a pump rather then a strict tanker lack of experiance driving big motors lack of "feel"
but also People drive faster and more stupid, "them" as well.... neaning other traffic .. training is major , But it also seems like EVERYONE volly or career in many cases everyone is in a hurry to get qualified to operate , On my career job its a MONEY i$$ue extra pay , in the vollies some places DO have experianced operators , some do NoT... eperiance and respect for the knowledge of "operating" is a far cry from "moving it" as was mentioned...I can tell you I'vealso had a Class 1/ CDL A with 30+ years of driving experiance including 3000 tankers of home heating oil, and larger 8,000 diesel, kerosene,gasoline among other things, at one point early in my FD career I was qualified to drive no less then 38 pieces of fire apparatus in my state from tillers to ten wheel tankers ... naturally this was when I first got hired but I've not done any volly company driving in 16 years or better,
:) I think its mainly lack of training/experiance in concert with going faster then nessasary with "other traffic" poor roads (more then weather issues)
rural= tankers and crappy roads with poor shoulders in many areas of the country.... slow em down, its more important to get there then get all cranked up trying to get there and crashing, ..that tanker lost was mentioned to be useless but would also take other resourses away from the incident and future incidents for months until replaced ... I knew a local dpeartment that spent 500,000 on a platform, bells whistles and then some back in the early 90's the rig was running on about its 20th run... when it rolled over ........... no one killed luckily but what a waste.. it took 5 years to refund and get the rig they wanted ...after totalling the first one...in rural areas the money is high, but finances are not, and tankers are needed for bread and butter operations !! cant wait 5 years to refinance a rig... Class A CDL training is A GOOD thing its well past due that training for firefighters be as good as Professional truck drivers , because of the extra loads on the rigs meaning tankers outfitted to be class a pumpers catch alls and overloaded rescues, rescue pumpers, as well as the trucks .. They are NOT an F-250 even if they tend to feel the same now adays ... my first car had no power steering, my first truck had no power steering, and the feel is very light with power steering , easy to over do it ......