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    I know guys like this.....and they just have to go to every call no matter what it is or what time of day it is.....at my dept we're told that if you can't commit at least two hours then don't show up, plain and simple.......sounds like this clown got what he deserved.....I feel for the company, they are getting painted black because this guy decided he was gonna be "bobby big-wheels" and show them by quitting because of his dedication to his community........I just have one thing to say to this genius: GET A LIFE, GET A CLUE, GROW UP, AND QUIT BEING A LITTLE GIRL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO EVERY SINGLE CALL OR SKIP OUT OF WORK


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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    Let me see if I have this right. This guys boss warned him repeatedly about being late or missing work. He chose to go on and stay at every call he could and missed work on STANDYBY calls or nuisance calls. When his boss suspended him he quit his job.

    Okay, my thoughts.

    When I was chief I told people I understood there would be times they wouldn't be able to respond. I made it clear family first, job second, FD third. I understand that being a volunteer doesn't pay the billls and there has to be priorities.

    This whole thing seems like a guy who had his priorities all fouled up. Unless he lives with his parents his life is going to get exciting soon.

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    No, the man was NOT warned, nor was the other fireman. Incidentally, Tim has no financial or familial responsibilities that would be damaged by his actions stated here.

    As for berating him in this forum, and expecting that he should present here with, as was said, the "whole" story, I can say this, DON'T DO IT.

    Tim, don't waste another second with this, those who have an honest mind and a sense of brotherhood to the service may or may not agree with your actions or course, but do understand your motivations, and most importantly, your right to take your chosen course.

    The others that seem to have nothing more than time to sit here and posta prejudicial judgement over their brothers, are service orphans, and not deserving of any further explanation, for their minds are closed, and they shall not see.

    For example, FWDbuff remarks the he lives "somewhat nearby", accuses incorrectly that the men involved made it a "BAD HABIT" of hiotting every call?, and then proceeds to refer to the firemen involved in this as "knuckleheads."

    Nice. That being said, I'm sure FWDbuff and George and the other few who post incessantly feel much better, and will continue their journey thru society spreading respect and tolerance of their fellow man.

    But I am also wise, and I am also mature. And FWDbuff and George and the other few are no fireman, at least not in heart.

    I have no more to say to them, but to anyone else who may feel that he must follow his heart and be true to himself, I will say this. Call me, I'll go thru the door with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maud724 View Post
    George I have never commented on one of your qoutes before but are you understanding they gave two firefighters a 2 day suspension. This is not just one isolated fireman. I could understand if it was just this one firefighter (Maybe). But 2, I would side with the firefighters on this incident. I think the other firefighter would not speak out because of fear of losing his job after a he serves his 2 day suspension for helping out people. As a fire chief myself if a company suspended two volunteers the day after they worked a plane crash for 16 hours my comments would not have been (I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES). If this was such a bad employee why not wait until a later date and then fire him but instead they give two firefighters a 2 day suspension the day after a major incident. This just goes to show the increasing lack of support for volunteers period. The company should have never threw the volunteer fire department into the mix. How can you say his behavior is foolish when he was standing up for what he thinks is a good cause. If everyone was suspended for calling off the next day for helping out the volunteer fire department on a major incident that would include alot of volunteers including myself. Do you think the volunteers that lost thier jobs in Oklahoma were foolish when they lost thier jobs for protecting the many homes including thier own. My job however understands that if I work a structure fire all night that I am not going to come in the next day. Yes I understand he may have quit on his on, but this was also done to bring attention to the companys poor pratices of supporting the volunteer fire department. Because if he would not have quit we would not be posting on this thread.
    Thankyou Chief!

    As a non FF, it's highly commendable, in my opinion, that anybody would have the passion to go into a volatile situation that he/she may not live through b/c that person possesses the passion to save a life at all costs, most especiwhen there is zero compensation. If I were in that plane crash, I would feel a great debt of gratitude knowing aman out there was putting his life on the line for me to survive and he was getting zero monetary compensation and apparently, zero moral support from the powers that be. Rest assured, judging by the number of non FF's that read these threads, there are many peoplle who are rooting for this gentleman.

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    damn double posts
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    Support for what? The guy QUIT his job. He wasn't fired. HE QUIT. Because his priorities said standbys for the FD were more important than giving his boss a fair shake on a days work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamer737 View Post
    Thankyou Chief!

    As a non FF, it's highly commendable, in my opinion, that anybody would have the passion to go into a volatile situation that he/she may not live through b/c that person possesses the passion to save a life at all costs, most especiwhen there is zero compensation. If I were in that plane crash, I would feel a great debt of gratitude knowing aman out there was putting his life on the line for me to survive and he was getting zero monetary compensation and apparently, zero moral support from the powers that be. Rest assured, judging by the number of non FF's that read these threads, there are many peoplle who are rooting for this gentleman.
    There ARE millions of people who put their lives on the line every day w/o monetary compensation. There are also millions of them who realize it is a volunteer position and are mature enough to realize that jeopardizing the job that puts food on their table and a roof over their head i(which s an adult's fundamental responsibility in life) is foolish.

    It's bloody obvious you are not a FF. BTW, where is this legion of people who have come to this guy's defense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    There ARE millions of people who put their lives on the line every day w/o monetary compensation. There are also millions of them who realize it is a volunteer position and are mature enough to realize that jeopardizing the job that puts food on their table and a roof over their head i(which s an adult's fundamental responsibility in life) is foolish.

    It's bloody obvious you are not a FF. BTW, where is this legion of people who have come to this guy's defense?
    Well said George. I love being a volunteer firefighter but my family is the number one priority. The VFD doesn't not support them. Plain and simple. This is by far one of the most boneheaded things I've ever heard of. I hope this guy does not have a family to support.
    If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazz2771 View Post
    I know guys like this.....and they just have to go to every call no matter what it is or what time of day it is.....at my dept we're told that if you can't commit at least two hours then don't show up, plain and simple.......sounds like this clown got what he deserved.....I feel for the company, they are getting painted black because this guy decided he was gonna be "bobby big-wheels" and show them by quitting because of his dedication to his community........I just have one thing to say to this genius: GET A LIFE, GET A CLUE, GROW UP, AND QUIT BEING A LITTLE GIRL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO EVERY SINGLE CALL OR SKIP OUT OF WORK
    I should hope that you never experience the trauma of having a loved one or friend in danger of death or injury, and that their help was delayed because they had to wait for responders to gather that had at least 2 hours to spare because the others didn't show up.

    I say that I should hope this, but lets be real, because in reality an arrogant, self serving, self rightous and self centered ridge rat like yourself wouldn't really have any friends or loved ones that he would care about, now would he?

    Oh, and "I just have one thing to say to this genius: GET A LIFE, GET A CLUE, GROW UP, AND QUIT BEING A LITTLE GIRL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO EVERY SINGLE CALL OR SKIP OUT OF WORK" is actually "6" things said, you could count that on one hand and one other place, if you ever get your head out of your ***** long enough to peek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    There ARE millions of people who put their lives on the line every day w/o monetary compensation. There are also millions of them who realize it is a volunteer position and are mature enough to realize that jeopardizing the job that puts food on their table and a roof over their head i(which s an adult's fundamental responsibility in life) is foolish.

    It's bloody obvious you are not a FF. BTW, where is this legion of people who have come to this guy's defense?
    George I have a very interesting point for you since you brought it out. You stated "There are millions of them who realize it is a volunteer position and are mature enough to realize that jepardizing the job that puts food on their table and a roof over their head"

    1. If your injuried fighting fire will you be able to support your family at the same level? Answer: You are risking your job. Dont think your job is going to support you to long remember they are losing alot of money.

    2. If you are killed fighting fire will your wife and family ever be able to fully recover from it? Answer: No. So why are you putting yourself in that situation seems kind of foolish. Your putting the fire department first because if you are killed who will take care of them.

    Now who is jeopardizing the job that puts food on their table and a roof over their head. In case you dont thats you George.

    All this for a volunteer position fighting fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIESELXX View Post
    But I am also wise, and I am also mature. And FWDbuff and George and the other few are no fireman, at least not in heart.

    I have no more to say to them, but to anyone else who may feel that he must follow his heart and be true to himself, I will say this. Call me, I'll go thru the door with you.
    ....Interesting. This coming from someone who offers no information whatsoever in their profile. WHO are you Diesel? HOW long have you been a Volly? You sound like another one of these teenaged-to-early 20's kids who eat sleep and $hit nothing but the volly house. Refer to my profile, which offers plenty of information on me. And I'm not a fireman in my heart? Yeah, you're right, because I am a fireman in my soul. My priorities, however, changed in December of 2003, February of 2005, and June of 2005. These are the dates that my two sons were born, my wife and I got married, and we purchased a home. I now have to arrange my time and devotions in order to be %100 for the job that pays the mortgage, supplies my family with health benefits, and puts food on the table.

    Next time I am at a real, bonafide emergency, I'll call you, and you can "go through the door" with me. I dont babysit piles of scrap aluminum.
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    I am a volunteer firefighter have been for near 30 years, I am also a career firefighter for 16 years now, as well as a husband and a dad x 2, as well as a guy that teaches and sells fire equipment on the side. Priorities? Of course, family then job then volly FD. I respond when I am available and I make between 70-90 percent every year.

    But I also know that within 2 hours of when I leave for my career FD I am not responding, no matter what the call. My career Fd does not care that my little corner of paradise is on fire. They are paying me to be there on time and ready to go at shifts beginning, it is that simple. Also my family is counting on me to have a job to keep them safe. Priorities...I would never quit a job for the volly FD, ever. Sorry if that doesn't make me as dedicated as you. But it does make me smarter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWDbuff View Post
    ....Interesting. This coming from someone who offers no information whatsoever in their profile. WHO are you Diesel? HOW long have you been a Volly? You sound like another one of these teenaged-to-early 20's kids who eat sleep and $hit nothing but the volly house. Refer to my profile, which offers plenty of information on me. And I'm not a fireman in my heart? Yeah, you're right, because I am a fireman in my soul. My priorities, however, changed in December of 2003, February of 2005, and June of 2005. These are the dates that my two sons were born, my wife and I got married, and we purchased a home. I now have to arrange my time and devotions in order to be %100 for the job that pays the mortgage, supplies my family with health benefits, and puts food on the table.

    Next time I am at a real, bonafide emergency, I'll call you, and you can "go through the door" with me. I dont babysit piles of scrap aluminum.
    Ouch, did I hit a nerve?

    Junior, you can run around declaring your greatness all day, and all that shows is how narrow minded you are. You assume way too much, even for someone who apparently picks and chooses which calls are important enough to go to.

    PS, that "pile of scrap aluminum" was/is someones property, worth tens of thousands of dollars, and the 70 year old victim, a local doctor that we know, will pull through, and his family is grateful to have volunteers like us, not you.

    That, is how we get "paid".

    By the way, I have been doing this since before you were born, my grandchildren are older than your sons, God Bless 'em, and you hopefully will someday learn that you don't know, what you don't know, and judgements are best left for God and fools.

    Incididentally, what will your family do, if God forbid, you get incapacitated, or worse, at a "volly?" call?

    Will your job stand behind you, like Tim's did not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maud724 View Post
    George I have a very interesting point for you since you brought it out. You stated "There are millions of them who realize it is a volunteer position and are mature enough to realize that jepardizing the job that puts food on their table and a roof over their head"

    1. If your injuried fighting fire will you be able to support your family at the same level? Answer: You are risking your job. Dont think your job is going to support you to long remember they are losing alot of money.

    2. If you are killed fighting fire will your wife and family ever be able to fully recover from it? Answer: No. So why are you putting yourself in that situation seems kind of foolish. Your putting the fire department first because if you are killed who will take care of them.

    Now who is jeopardizing the job that puts food on their table and a roof over their head. In case you dont thats you George.

    All this for a volunteer position fighting fire.
    Does anyone have any oranges to go with this guy's apples? Good argument pal.

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    FyredUp - Your post makes a lot of sense! I am a newbie to the department. 1 year. Firefighting has always been a dream of mine; however, I choose to put my "dreams" on hold to raise two little boys.

    Now that they are 14 and 11 and I am no longer called "Mom" instead I have gained a new name "ATM" or "BANK". Hence, I am finally able to pursue my dream of becoming a FF.

    I played with the possibility of becoming a paid FF, but in my area the paid FF don't start off at 70,000 which is what I currently make in the Civil Engineering field. It looks like I will continue to volunteer, after I jumped off track a bit, let’s get to my response. I work 31 miles from my dept. there is no way I could just leave in the middle of the day and make it to the firehouse before a truck pulled out. The fire would be out by the time I got there!!!

    A person has to decide if they want to risk their paying job in order to volunteer. From my understanding, (please correct me if I am wrong) If a person volunteers with emergency services such as EMS or Firefighter, your employer can not fire you if you miss or you’re late to work. Is this true, I have heard a few different things. Common sense – don’t abuse this rule. (if indeed the rule is fact).

    When I made the decision to become a FF, I sat down with my boss and discussed this with him. I told him how important this was to me, but my paying job would always be priority. I explained to him, that if I got to a 2:00am call, there is a good possibility I may not make it to work on time, however I would get there as quickly as possible and I would make up the time I missed. Considering my (paying job) has a total of 5 volunteer firefighters, they have considered what we do a wonderful thing and have worked with all of us. I guess it depends on your employer and their policy’s.

    There has been many a nights I get a 2:30 call (seems to be the magic time), I get back to the firehouse at 5:00 am and I get up at 5:15 to head out to my paying job. I am fortunate to have the energy of five people. I am able to work my 10-12 hours and then go home and be mom…and possibly do it all over again the next day.

    I guess I am just blabbering …….Volunteer's just have to set thier Priories.... It's a wonderful thing what we do and two thumbs up for all who give thier time, heart and soul to Firefighting......

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    Rule No. 1 - Show up on time.(everyday)

    Rule No. 2 - Do your job.(try to get along)

    If one follows these two simple rules you won't eliminate all the cr p from those above but it sure does minimize it. They will also be more inclined to give you a break when needed. The expectations of my Chief were spelled out early on and remain consistent. The SOP my workplace has for my responding is less clear. Many factors can come into play on any given call. This assessment is usually made between me and my employer in a few seconds to a minute or two at most. The bottom line is they make the call not me. Your employer is just that-your employer. P ssin' contests always end badly for the employee. Sure, I have missed calls that in my opinion the company would not have been hurt by my absence so I sucked it up and kept my mouth shut. Live to fight the next battle 'cause there are many more coming.
    Even if you feel your employer does not respect the fact you are trying to help your community at every turn, if they think you do not respect them ( I said -Think- )you are finished. Remember they turn the screws. Oh, and if you think I am on the employers side - nope. It is called politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ltlredcorvette View Post
    If he loves firefighting so much, why isn't he trying for a paid position? I've seen enough volunteers who just use their pagers to get out of school or work that it is hard to believe that if firefighting is his passion, that he doesn't make that his full-time, paid job. I did.
    Unfortunately in the area where I live, when a full-time paid department is hiring the ratio is usually about 5000 candidates for 5 openings and that may be the case of this individual. Or maybe he just enjoys being a volunteer firefighter--there's nothing wrong with that. When I became a volunteer firefighter 5 1/2 years ago, I was working full-time as a dispatcher. One time, I called 2 hours before my shift to let them know I was going to be about 10 minutes late and when I got to work I was accused of being late for going to a fire call. The stupid thing was that A)my department had not been paged out on any fire calls and B)if my department had been paged out, my dispatch center would have done the paging. I had decided when I started firefighting(and let my fire department know) that any page that came in within a certain time period of me having to be in dispatch, I would not be responding just so I could keep in good standing at my full time job. After a year of juggling dispatching and firefighting, I quit dispatching and found another full time job, not because I couldn't handle dispatching but because of the lack of support that I got from my own dispatch center. If I asked for a day off (well in advance with plenty of personal vacation time) to go to an EMT class, my leave request would be denied and given to someone else. My shift schedule would be changed at the last minute so that I would have to miss my EMT class or my Thursday night fire training. Unfortunately, I worked for supervisors that were unsupportive of those kinds of things. After a year of struggling to be able to get EMT and Fire certifications, I changed jobs. So I can certainly relate to this firefighter leaving if he decided he needed a job that understood and supported volunteer firefighters.

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