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    Default What do you do?

    Had a question asked to me as to whether or not the change of tactics from offensive to defensive on a structure fire warrants the "evacuation" signal...ours being airhorn blasts with subsequent par...just curious of other opinions. Thanks, Stay safe.


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    We have 2 situations that are addressed in the SOP's 1) Emegency Evacuation, 2) Orderly Withdrawal.

    The Emergecny Evacuation is used when firefighters are in "imminent danger" such as a potential collapse. Air horns on apparatus are used, along with a tone and radio message for all companies to evacuate the building.

    If the IC decides that offensive tactics are not working and needs to go to defensive tactics, they will order (by radio) companies to withdraw from the building (with equipment). No evacuation signals are used.

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    When you decide to switch from offensive to defensive operations, whatever evacuation system you have should be used followed with a par. This way you have all personnel outside and accounted for before the big water goes in. Also the alarm should be upgraded so you have enough resourses to contain the fire to one area or building.

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    We like the emergency evacuation signal to only be used for emergencies. Switching operational modes may or may not be an emergency. I think Captnnc's SOP's describe the best answer to your question. If the switch in modes is due to imminent hazards then it would be pertinent to sound the evacuation signal. Otherwise it should not become yet another thing we repond casually to after being watered down.

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    There is a huge difference between a withdrawl of men on the inside so one can begin and an emergency evacuation.

    And a true Mayday situation that would be related to an impending collapse or something along those lines.

    For us a switch in tactics from offensive to defensive gets an urgent and the members withdrawl the lines...etc. Chiefs make sure all men are out before using the LCS. It is a relatively calm and orderly occurance.

    Furthermore this can be common at a fire in a large building and sometimes only involves moving personell to the floor below.

    If everyone needs to evacuate the structure immediately leaving some tools and hoselines where they are if necessary (rare)...that is a Mayday and everyone gets out of the building anyway they can.

    I would set up your procedures to define each type of situation.

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    I agree with “onebugle”. There is a significant difference from an orderly withdraw and an emergency evacuation.

    And orderly withdraw should be announced over the radio with all sector officers acknowledging the order. It goes without saying that other companies should be preparing to initiate exterior streams while companies are backing out. Once out, a PAR is taken for all companies. After that allow the water show to begin.

    An emergency evacuation would be signaled by the air horns and either an emergency tone or announcement over the radio. I have always instructed firefighters to drop everything and get out. The only exception would be, if the protection of a hoseline were necessary to escape. There is a very imminent danger to the companies inside, such as collapse or explosion. Everything gets left behind. And of course a PAR is checked for all companies.

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    I should clarify that our evacuation procedure is two step. The first would be an orderly withdrawl bringing all equipment and hoselines out. This is done over our radios and all personnel are ordered out. The second is an emergency evacuation with evacution tones over the radio and three blasts with an airhorn on the exterior. All equipment is left in place as there is an immediate danger such as collapse etc. Both are followed with a par to account for all personnel.

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    It all depends, as everyone else stated, on the situation.

    An evacuation is just that, an evacuation. We drop everything and make a quick (but safe) exit. The air horns are blown three times, and a message is sent via radio.

    A withdrawal pulls out everyone either for a switch from offensive to defensive ops or when a safety issue arises. The attack team is notified via radio.

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