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    After reading through many of these posts is BROTHERHOOD MY ***
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    Yes, in my career, i havent witnessed much brotherhood. I see a lot here in the FH forums, but in real life...naaa.

    More and more people are just focused on themselves and making money.

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    i think brotherhood is still alive,and specially on fireground,you need it.how do you fight fires if you do not trust your brothers?you can have hard moments with your crew but this is life and changes.

    in France,the guys" work in twos",so it means that you trust your bro.

    now brotherhood has changed,cause some years ago,in France,it was totally different:i grew up in a family of volunteer firefighters and everyone helped everyone for a lot of things:doing some fixing at a house of one of your bro,or helping the family in case of a death......

    just my 2 cents.
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    "sauver ou périr"

    "courage et dévouement"
    Save or Perish... courage and devotion. In any language, it describes "daJob"

    Too many so called "brothers and sisters" have the BMA, IGM mentality lately. They forget the sacrifices that those who went before them made... some of them with blood, sweat and tears... some of them ending careers and ending lives.

    They forget those who negotiated the contracts, payscales and benefits that they enjoy today.

    They are like Judas... willing to sell their souls to mutts for 30 pieces of silver... whether it be a fancy schmancy title, a chauffeur's position on a rig, bugles and butterbars because they are so far up the administration's arse that if the mutts open up their mouths, they can see daylight.

    They are the doorway dancers, who always have some sort of problem with their equipment, or the skaters, who glide away from anything that resembles committee work.

    Some are here for just the prestige and the T-shirt... or the benefits.

    They complain the most, but do the least...

    They criticize their company officers or their personnel under their command every chance they get, but when they want or need something, they suck up to them more than the entire test facility in a Dyson vacuum cleaner factory.

    On the other hand, there are many who still love the job, and look forward to going to work, despite the adverserial atmosphere of "mutterdom", budget cuts, etc.

    There are those who do the job with little or no fanfare, who tell John and Jane Q. Public to look at the true heroes... those who gave their lives in the line of duty.

    It is up to those who fall in the latter category to mentor the new guys.

    "Each one teach one"
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    There is one thing that Brotherhood in the fire service has thought me: That it is the same as any other brotherhood.

    Yes, we will fight.
    Yes, we will get on each others nerves.
    Yes, at times I will hate your ***, and you will hate mine.

    The thing I have also learned from my personal experience is this also:

    If we are at the House, and we are in a big argument. And I mean the vein on my forehead is sticking out, and you want to punch me in the face kind of argument. And then the tones drop.........

    And we will ride to the call, and I will bust my *** for you, and you will bust your *** for me.

    THAT is what brotherhood means to me. That we will go through fire for each other.

    What it does NOT mean to me is that we will agree with everything we think, and that we will begin and end each shift in a group hug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT View Post
    After reading through many of these posts is BROTHERHOOD MY ***

    If you base brotherhood on someones opinion on an internet forum than so be it.

    Brotherhood to me is even if I have a disagreement with a fellow firefighter and there is a fire, all of that is put aside and you are willing to sacrifice for the good of the cause.

    Like real brothers do.

    I think to many people put to much into what is said on an internet forum.
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    "Each one teach one"
    Although I have never heard this little saying, it's exactly the way I was taught, and is exactly what I do with the new guys coming up.

    Very well said DCGONZ.

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    I think you hit the nail right on the center when you said that the brotherhood factors have taken a severe plunge in the last decade. People are morons. They first need to stop offending each other, and embrace each other. Tha'ts what i'ts really a matter of... embracing. These morons who come in here and start calling people names and stuff... knock it off, punks!

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    So nobody ever had a fight with their REAL brother?

    And if you had a fight with your REAL brother, does that mean he is no longer your brother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT View Post
    After reading through many of these posts is BROTHERHOOD MY ***
    I too have witnessed the underhandedness that is slowly permeating into the Fire Service. While I certainly have no experience in the paid fire service or a department of your size; I have noticed more and more "brothers" talking about each other, doing each other dirty, lying to each other...the list goes on. Now-a-day's I guess it's more of who's your friend and who isn't. Most of the time it comes when several people get together to conspire against one person and often times end up conspiring against each other. I got in shortly after 9/11, and the camaraderie that I witnessed has rapidly dwindled. I'm not just talking about my department or my area either, it seems to be all over. I know that there is still brotherhood in the service; but I think that the cliche about the bad apples spoiling the bunch is going to be true anywhere you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky625 View Post
    I think you hit the nail right on the center when you said that the brotherhood factors have taken a severe plunge in the last decade. People are morons. They first need to stop offending each other, and embrace each other. Tha'ts what i'ts really a matter of... embracing. These morons who come in here and start calling people names and stuff... knock it off, punks!
    Especially during hard times ..............
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    Group hug time.
    Psychiatrists state 1 in 4 people has a mental illness.
    Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    Group hug time.
    A group huge will not fix the problem.A few ******** posting on FH need group therapy.There is click that declare's open season on any newbie posting.It more or less a circle of pencil pusher's trying to rule the FH fourm world.I like hanging around just to see who's next.If you disgree in any way with any of self declare royal family the dogs pile on.It really fun to watch it take shape.
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    You boys have said it all. I totally agree. Seems like the newer generation doesn't respect that as much as I was taught to.

    I think you are right....group hug!!
    (keep your hands to yourself though)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT View Post
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    Coldfront.

    Sod off back to the top of the page and read the first post again.

    I will stand with my Brothers ta very much.
    Psychiatrists state 1 in 4 people has a mental illness.
    Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

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    They are the doorway dancers
    I will remember this one!

    Thanx Chief.
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    I hear you all the way on "this" one... it stands out especially clear, that some people need a little common sense. Why? I think much of it, no offense, can be attributed to the NOOB. Stop me if Im wrong, but is it not always the NOOB that has a hard time accepting? Its the noobs that are never open minded and they seem to place people into a box and categorize everything. Sorry, but that doesnt sound very open minded to me...

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