Pierce Saber

[Engine305]

I heard from a reliable source that the Saber chassis which was discontinued from the lineup due to the emissions regulations, has been re-introduced. So, now you can have an Appleton built Saber/Pierce or a Appleton/Bradenton Custom Contender built apparatus if you so desire.

[Command6]

I heard from a reliable source that the Saber chassis which was discontinued from the lineup due to the emissions regulations, has been re-introduced. So, now you can have an Appleton built Saber/Pierce or a Appleton/Bradenton Custom Contender built apparatus if you so desire.

We have Saber's from 1994 to 2003. These rigs have Detroit and Cummins powerplants.

I think the truck will be re-labeled the Custom Contender, but retain a lot of its current looks.

I don't know for sure where they will be built.

I did hear from a dealer that Pierce will eventually overhaul and reduce its cab lineup to basically offer the Impel/Velocity, Arrow XT, Quantum, and Custom Contender. Time will tell.

If you look at the current Saber, Enforcer, and Contender; there aren't radical differences between them.

[NewJerseyFFII]

I heard from a reliable source that the Saber chassis which was discontinued from the lineup due to the emissions regulations, has been re-introduced. So, now you can have an Appleton built Saber/Pierce or a Appleton/Bradenton Custom Contender built apparatus if you so desire.

Did your new pumper go out for bid yet, if not are you set on a custom contender or looking at other builders like the Seagrave Intruder ?

[Engine305]

Yes we are open, Seagrave and American Lafrance Pioneer and Ahrens Fox are in the running

[NewJerseyFFII]

Yes we are open, Seagrave and American Lafrance Pioneer and Ahrens Fox are in the running

What is a American Lafrance Pioneer, I have never heard of it before ? Also Campbell Supply has a very good service department that works on all makes & model fire apparatus. They found a problem with our Mack Cf Baker 75' Scope when no one else could figure out and find the control switch problem !...

[Engine305]

A Pioneer is a 4 door cab, budget model, based upon the Condor frame with an apparatus cab instead of commercial. I should have a drawing next week .....
It is supposed to compare with the Contender, intruder etc................

[Command6]

A Pioneer is a 4 door cab, budget model, based upon the Condor frame with an apparatus cab instead of commercial. I should have a drawing next week .....
It is supposed to compare with the Contender, intruder etc................

Hey old timers. Didn't I remember from my fire apparatus history lesson that there was an ALF Pioneer cab back in like the 1960's or ealy 1970's? It had reverse sloping one piece windshield with three wipers.

One piece windshield? Three wipers? Maybe it was a little ahead of its time?

If you'll excuse me, it's time for my Geritol and a nap....

[NewJerseyFFII]

A Pioneer is a 4 door cab, budget model, based upon the Condor frame with an apparatus cab instead of commercial. I should have a drawing next week .....
It is supposed to compare with the Contender, intruder etc................

It sounds like the new ALF " Liberty Series " apparatus !...

[osh599]

Looking for some clarity on the chassis used for the Saber. Our dealer told me back in 99 when we took delivery of our Saber that the chassis was actually made by International. I find this hard to believe that Pierce would use another manufacturers chassis but stranger things have happened.

I also learned that the Detroit Series 40 is actually an International engine. I once again did not believe this until I looked closer at the engine placards.

Needless to say, its been the worst engine we've had. Nothing but problems from day 1.

[Command6]

Looking for some clarity on the chassis used for the Saber. Our dealer told me back in 99 when we took delivery of our Saber that the chassis was actually made by International. I find this hard to believe that Pierce would use another manufacturers chassis but stranger things have happened.

I also learned that the Detroit Series 40 is actually an International engine. I once again did not believe this until I looked closer at the engine placards.

Needless to say, its been the worst engine we've had. Nothing but problems from day 1.

Our first Saber was purchased in 1994 and has the Detroit Series 40. If you look on the motor, there are Detroit, International, and Perkins labels on it. The engine is basically a International DT466, and as we learned, engine parts are not available from Detroit. You have to buy parts from International.

My dept. purchased the trucks because they were cheap, and you get what you pay for. I always considered them a Freightliner FL80 except with a Pierce cab.

[firetdriver99]

Our first Saber was purchased in 1994 and has the Detroit Series 40. If you look on the motor, there are Detroit, International, and Perkins labels on it. The engine is basically a International DT466, and as we learned, engine parts are not available from Detroit. You have to buy parts from International.

My dept. purchased the trucks because they were cheap, and you get what you pay for. I always considered them a Freightliner FL80 except with a Pierce cab.

We puchased a 1994 pierce Saber also and I have to admit its probably the best luck we have had with a vehicle. Your right the Detroit series 40 was produced by by International. So far we have had no problems on getting it worked on by Detroit Mechanics where they get the parts from I dont know. The frame rails are also outsourced or where at that time to international I believe that has changed on the newer sabers. The Chassis is made by pierce and used as contender brands also. For the record we had an FL80 and there is a big difference between that and a Saber the FL80 was traded after only 2 years the Saber is still a frontline piece and is on the road at least 2 to 3 times per day. You couldnt give me another Freightliner product I would definatly purchase another Saber. You can get cummins and cat engines in them now also.

[BoxAlarm187]

Looking for some clarity on the chassis used for the Saber. Our dealer told me back in 99 when we took delivery of our Saber that the chassis was actually made by International. I find this hard to believe that Pierce would use another manufacturers chassis but stranger things have happened.

No, the Saber (like every other Pierce product) is built frame-up in Appleton, WI. Been to the Pierce factory multiple times, and have seen it myself.

[Tower47]

Did I mention the fuel tank fell out of the truck also? That was a good one to explain while we waited for 15 additional minutes for a set of jaws.

[HSFDChief600]

Hey old timers. Didn't I remember from my fire apparatus history lesson that there was an ALF Pioneer cab back in like the 1960's or ealy 1970's? It had reverse sloping one piece windshield with three wipers.

One piece windshield? Three wipers? Maybe it was a little ahead of its time?

If you'll excuse me, it's time for my Geritol and a nap....

Well here is the Pioneer Cab 1975

[NewJerseyFFII]

Well here is the Pioneer Cab 1975

Anyone have a picture or drawing of the 2007 model Pioneer from ALF ?

[Engine305]

Its drawn in the product line brochure

[NewJerseyFFII]

Its drawn in the product line brochure

Can it be found on the American Lafrance web site ? I think this maybe it !....

[Command6]

Can it be found on the American Lafrance web site ? I think this maybe it !....

Sort of has that Euro look.

Is this supposed to be a less expensive cab model than the Eagle?

[npfd801]

Can it be found on the American Lafrance web site ? I think this maybe it !....

That's a Condor. Look closely and the back of the cab is a compartment. This is a vocational (garbage truck) chassis much like the Mack MR.

Perhaps the four door version that ALF showed at Indy this year of this rig will be named the Pioneer?

http://www.condortrucks.com/condor.asp?n=1&p=0&s=1

http://www.condortrucks.com/condor.asp?n=7&p=0&s=7&x=19

This link stolen from another FH Forums thread:

http://www.bensware.com/firetrucks/F.../DSC_8713.html

[Engine305]

Thats the cab, my drawing has an Eagle grill and headlights on her.
Looks like a nice rig
4 doors 425 Cummins