Thread: Questions from a non-FF
07-29-2007, 06:16 PM #1
Questions from a non-FF
These might seem silly because, well, they probably are. But they're things I'd like some info on. Thanks!
1.) Concerning grants. I understand that the gov't gives money to rescue personnel. What I don't understand are the "rounds". What does it mean by like "round 1" and so on?
2.) Jakes. Any history behind ff's being called this? And what exactly is the IAOCJ?
3.) Crusty. I know this applies to the helmet. And I am assuming the "crustier" the helmet, the more pride one has, particularly because it shows length of time in the service. Or at least that you've been through it a lot. Was I right about all that?
4.) Any difference between turnout gear and bunker gear? Same thing?
5.) Leather. Is that the dept. patch like thingy on the front of your helmet? If so, do you have to order those yourself or are they dept. issued?
That's all for now. I've been curious about some of these and thought might as well ask while I have the time.
I'm also trying to humor myself because they just had to call the paramedics to take my grandma to the hospital. Her blood sugar level bottomed out. While the glucose gel I gave her made it to go up, the paramedic said that was good, but after it runs through the system, it could bottom out again. (My grandma didn't eat good today...so they wanted her to go in for some observation in case it dropped again) She just picks like a bird and we tell her if you don't eat, your sugar level will drop. And it did
07-29-2007, 06:39 PM #2
2.I Dont know the history behind the origination of a "Jake" But thats a firefighter thats been in there a while.... For the question about the IACOJ go to www.IACOJ.com which means International association of crusty old jakes.
3. Ill let someone else answer that
4. No difference its all the same.
5 Leather refers what older type helmets and some todays helmets were made out of. Older Crustier FF typically prefer these helmets.Ryan
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07-29-2007, 06:52 PM #3
07-29-2007, 07:19 PM #4
Thanks much for the info.
My opinion on grants...sure it's great that grants are given out to fire departments. But y'all shouldn't sit back with your fingers crossed like somebody hoping to hit the lottery. If you need something, you should get it. Period. I've noticed the, I guess, "1199" threads. The whole "did you hear anything yet" is kinda sad, really. I mean, geez. One of the most dangerous jobs out there and you pretty much have to beg to get money to run on. But that's just the way things look from here...
As for tradition and functionality, I don't care if it's leather. I don't care if it's some new age material guaranteed not to melt if the sun sat on it. There's no way I'm running into a burning building Well unless I knew someone was in there. Then it becomes a matter of, "do I wanna stay safe out here, or do I wanna at least try and save a fellow human being?"
07-29-2007, 07:31 PM #5
07-29-2007, 07:41 PM #6
07-29-2007, 07:55 PM #7
Start with flaked salmon for the dip. End up with smoked salmon.Psychiatrists state 1 in 4 people has a mental illness.
Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.
07-29-2007, 07:58 PM #8
That just might work. And let's hope that the FF I got it from won't need it. That might just be a bad thing.
07-30-2007, 11:03 AM #9
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Since the main questions were answered, except maybe "Jake" - there have been references to Jacobs Ladder - I forget the exact reference now, its been a while - but there is an answer in these threads somewhere.
IN any case, I hope your Grandma is doing better. Diabetic emgerencies are maybe one of the most scary for observers, because unless you know the person and their medical history (and even when you do) its tough to know how to help. All you can do is try and convince her to eat well.If you don't do it RIGHT today, when will you have time to do it over? (Hall of Fame basketball player/coach John Wooden)
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07-30-2007, 11:10 AM #10
The term "Jake" came from a J-shaped key that FF's carried in New England. Prior to the advent of radios, the key was used to open alarm boxes to request additional alarms via telegraph.“I am more than just a serious basketball fan. I am a life-long addict. I was addicted from birth, in fact, because I was born in Kentucky.”
― Hunter S. Thompson
07-30-2007, 11:17 AM #11
There are several anecdotal explanations for where "jake" as slang meaning "fireman" came from. The truth of it is that nobody is really sure how it originated but it did apparently come out of New England, most likely from Boston. The exact origins are anybody's guess.
Pick your favorite myth and run with it."Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"
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07-30-2007, 12:16 PM #12
The firefighter assigned as the Chief's driver (back in the horse and buggy days) carried the key to open the Gamewell fire alarm boxes in the city of Boston. The key was shaped like the letter "J"... called the J -key, shortened to "Jake".
Calling firefighters "jakes" started there. A officer asking for a truckie to come in to pull a ceiling would say "get me a Jake with a rake!"
Being called "a good jake" is a compliment.
On the left coast, San Francisco Firefighters are called "jakeys".
I honor both names ... one of my cats is named Jakey Jake!
here he is lying on my newspaper, car keys and sunglasses...
"The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
07-30-2007, 12:22 PM #13
Handsome cat, Gonz. But those bananas aren't ripe yet; don't eat them.“I am more than just a serious basketball fan. I am a life-long addict. I was addicted from birth, in fact, because I was born in Kentucky.”
― Hunter S. Thompson
07-30-2007, 12:26 PM #14
That kitchen is scary clean....My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
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07-30-2007, 12:30 PM #15
Gonzo, hope your dog isn't like this...“I am more than just a serious basketball fan. I am a life-long addict. I was addicted from birth, in fact, because I was born in Kentucky.”
― Hunter S. Thompson
07-30-2007, 12:37 PM #16
His sister, Mia, on the other hand...she's "momma girl"... being the only other female in the house, she sticks to Mrs. Gonz like glue...except for feeding time!
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
07-30-2007, 02:15 PM #17
Thanks for a bit of history behind "jakes". As for the pics, they're adorable
And MalahatTwo7: Grandma is doing a lot better. She's eating better today. She's not had many of those episodes, but we know exactly what to look for. She's cool to the touch, sweating, and is disoriented. She acts almost like she's drunk. While I know what to do, it is scary. Because if you don't get her sugar up, she can go into a coma. Some have told me to give her a mint when she does that. That, to me, is the worst thing to do because she could get choked on it. Anyways she is doing good. Thanks for asking
07-31-2007, 03:27 AM #18
There you Gonz, showing off your pussy to God and everyone!!
You got a big one too. Looks like it really gives a sh*t if he is laying on your stuff or not.Jason Knecht
Township Fire Dept., Inc.
Eau Claire, WI
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EAT CHEESE OR DIE!!
07-31-2007, 07:34 PM #19
07-31-2007, 09:51 PM #20
ummm...lets see "IACOJ - Director of Cheese and Whine" give you hint? Firefighters have possibly the sickest twisted sense of morbid, sick and just plain WRONG humor ever, but then what we see on a daily basis can make most peolpe sick faster than a fire captian downing a double cheesebuger at a MVA, 18wheeler v:s motercycle, Firefighters ESPECILEY wemon FF's are realy perverted!
07-31-2007, 09:57 PM #21
You know how I know you're gay?
You put pictures of your cat on the internet.
07-31-2007, 10:23 PM #22
But I don't blame y'all. If I had to put up with what you people do on a daily basis, I'd be that way too! One of the keys to it, I guess, would be to laugh. No matter what, just laugh. Laughter is a release. And pent up feelings can cause burnout, or worse.
Cheese and whine..yup I have noticed that
08-01-2007, 02:01 AM #23
Ok....moving on to the next questions. Alarms. Like a 1 Alarm or 5 Alarm fire. I know the more alarms, the worse it is. So what determines how many they get? And about how many respond to each alarm?
Also, what is a flashover?
Last edited by SapphyreBlues; 08-01-2007 at 02:58 AM.
08-01-2007, 03:31 AM #24
A flashover is when all materials in a room reach are so hot that they all catch fire.
There is actually a MUCH more indepth answer to that question, but I don't know how far in depth you would like me to go, as far as fire behavior and what not.AJ, MICP, FireMedic
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08-01-2007, 04:14 AM #25
Ok, so a 5 alarm fire could pretty much tie up all the fire dept's in one city? The last major fire we had here in Bristol was when Cortrim burned down. Happened last Thanksgiving. It took over 60 FF's. Some locals made up dinners and brought it to them because they were missing their Thanksgiving meals.
As for the flashover, I take it that this happens very quickly, with the whole room just going up in an instant. Yeah I can see how that can be very dangerous
As for how detailed you get, I don't care just keep the language simple because I don't speak FF
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