View Poll Results: Would a volunteer user-moderator staff benefit the forum?

Voters
40. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    33 82.50%
  • Undecided

    1 2.50%
  • No

    6 15.00%
  • Abstain / No Opinion

    0 0%
  1. #1
    Forum Member
    DeputyMarshal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Connecticut, USA
    Posts
    2,638

    Lightbulb The Forum needs Moderators. Badly.

    Quote Originally Posted by webteam View Post
    We at Firehouse.com are not a huge staff where we can dedicate all of our time to babysitting these forums.
    This is precisely the reason you need to seriously consider appointing some moderators.

    If vBB has a single monumental selling point it's that it has a very full featured and robust system for creating user-moderators with tightly limited powers who can police the board with little or no ability to permanently screw anything up.

    Give it a try, webteam. What have you possibly got to lose?
    Last edited by DeputyMarshal; 08-01-2007 at 09:57 AM. Reason: typo
    "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"

    The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

  2. #2
    Forum Member
    SapphyreBlues's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    367

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal View Post

    If vBB has a single monumental selling point it's that it has a very full featured and robust system for creating user-moderators with tightly limited powers who can police the board with little or no ability to permanenetly screw anything up.
    I am a "supermod" on another board that uses just about the same type as this one, only it's: Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7 instead of 3.6.4. You can only do what the admin lets you do. Over there I have the power to ban people, to edit posts, signatures, etc. And anything I do is completely reversible. So even though this is version 3.6.4, I'm sure it's very much the same thing. I've never seen the admin panel on that site, since I'm not an admin. But I do believe that they're able to see who's done what. So that would take care of any mod who goes crazy with the Ban-stick-o'doom, or one that edits post like the nazi censor machine.

    And on another board I used to go to, they had mods from different parts of the world. There were some from Australia, Europe and North America. So usually there was always a mod on. And that site, while it had load of members, didn't have nearly as many as this one. I am thinking that there were like 5 or 6 mods. And it worked out pretty good.
    Last edited by SapphyreBlues; 07-31-2007 at 11:03 PM.

  3. #3
    Forum Member
    HeavyRescueTech's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    2,460

    Default

    I think we could use some volunteer Mods. the only downside is unpopular people might get banned because they aren't liked or thought favorably by the majority. Or a mod might edit a post/delete a post because a poster says something that is contrary to what the mod's point of view is.

    Again, while it would be good, any and all changes a Mod makes will have to be 100% reversible, any bannings would have to be left up to the webteam, and at the in the beginning, the mod's powers would have to be closely supervised by the webteam.
    If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

    FF/EMT/DBP

  4. #4
    Forum Member
    frenchfireball's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    lyon,france
    Posts
    1,033

    Default

    i think it could be great to have moderators.on many other sites,you have many mods and it helps in case of bad conversations or "fights" between members.

    but you also have bad moderators who like banning people,just because they do not like these people.so it is hard to find a great staff of moderators.just my 2 cents.
    "sauver ou périr"

    "courage et dévouement"

    2 french mottoes in french fire service.

  5. #5
    Forum Member
    nmfire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Maryland (DC Suburb)
    Posts
    5,738

    Default

    What you are suggesting is a great idea but we've been down this road before. This was a huge topic of discussion earlier in the year. Members with plenty of experience elsewhere moderating forums have offered their help for free. Hell I'd do it too. But the webteam refuses to even acknowledge the offer of help. Actually, they don't usually acknowledge the problems either. It will probably be 2 months before they log on to see this poll anyway.
    Last edited by nmfire; 08-01-2007 at 07:19 AM.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

  6. #6
    Forum Member
    Bones42's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Pt. Beach, NJ
    Posts
    10,685

    Default

    any bannings would have to be left up to the webteam, and at the in the beginning, the mod's powers would have to be closely supervised by the webteam.
    Keyword......WebTeam.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

  7. #7
    Forum Member
    DeputyMarshal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Connecticut, USA
    Posts
    2,638

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite View Post
    Again, while it would be good, any and all changes a Mod makes will have to be 100% reversible, any bannings would have to be left up to the webteam, and at the in the beginning, the mod's powers would have to be closely supervised by the webteam.
    Agreed. But it's still far easier for the webtem/webguy to monitor the activities of a dozen moderators than it is to monitor a thousand users. It's a simple span of control issue. I've done this on several other forums and it's much more manageable than trying to do the whole job alone.

    FWIW, if I recall correctly, vBB has a user management feature that lets a moderator issue a warning that can become a temporary ban only if a set number of moderators also issue warnings. IOW, it can be set up such that it takes agreement among a "committee" of moderators to issue a ban. Each warning is recorded along with information on who issued it and why. An admin (i.e. the webteam) can override any moderator actions. If a moderator is playing favorites, it is easily identifiable and correctable.

    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    What you are suggesting is a great idea but we've been down this road before.
    Yup, I was there.

    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    Actually, they don't usually acknowledge the problems either.
    This time they did -- that's why I thought it was worth bringing it up again.
    Last edited by DeputyMarshal; 08-01-2007 at 11:04 AM.
    "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"

    The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

  8. #8
    Administrator

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    2,480

    Default

    We have seriously discussed having moderators in the past. Our main concern with doing that is that we would create more problems with moderators like some of you have mentioned. It is not something we are against or that we have refused your help. We will look into this again as an option.

    Thanks, Webteam

  9. #9
    Forum Member
    DeputyMarshal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Connecticut, USA
    Posts
    2,638

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by webteam View Post
    Thanks, Webteam
    Thank you for participating in the discussion. It's a difficult decision to make and having volunteer moderators is not without its own pitfalls. IMHO, it's well worth the effort to give it a try.

    Thanks again for doing the work of 10 men on a busy forum pretty much alone .
    "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"

    The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

  10. #10
    Forum Member
    jlcooke3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Aiken, SC
    Posts
    438

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by webteam View Post
    ...Our main concern with doing that is that we would create more problems with moderators like some of you have mentioned...
    One way to limit the risk of getting problem moderators would be to ask the members who they believe would make good moderators. Come up with a list of a small number, say 5 to begin with, as a test group. As time goes on reevaluate your picks. If everything is going good add a few more until you have an adequate number of mods to efficiently do their job.

  11. #11
    Forum Member
    Weruj1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    7,857

    Default

    I would be in for that ............have to wait and see.
    IACOJ both divisions and PROUD OF IT !
    Pardon me sir.. .....but I believe we are all over here !
    ATTENTION ALL SHOPPERS: Will the dead horse please report to the forums.(thanks Motown)
    RAY WAS HERE 08/28/05
    LETHA' FOREVA' ! 010607
    I'm sorry, I haven't been paying much attention for the last 3 hours.....what were we discussing?
    "but I guarentee you I will FF your arse off" from>
    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/show...60#post1137060post 115

  12. #12
    MembersZone Subscriber
    mcaldwell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Panorama, British Columbia, Canada
    Posts
    3,022

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Weruj1 View Post
    I would be in for that ............have to wait and see.
    I agree, it's a good idea. It can't really get any worse can it?
    Never argue with an Idiot. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!

    IACOJ

  13. #13
    MembersZone Subscriber
    mcaldwell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Panorama, British Columbia, Canada
    Posts
    3,022

    Default

    Double Post
    Last edited by mcaldwell; 08-01-2007 at 12:34 PM. Reason: Double Post
    Never argue with an Idiot. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!

    IACOJ

  14. #14
    Forum Member

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Foggy California
    Posts
    968

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jlcooke3 View Post
    One way to limit the risk of getting problem moderators would be to ask the members who they believe would make good moderators. Come up with a list of a small number, say 5 to begin with, as a test group. As time goes on reevaluate your picks. If everything is going good add a few more until you have an adequate number of mods to efficiently do their job.
    A) Moderation, especially on a commercially owned and operated website, should never be a popularity contest. Save that crap for your Yahoo crochet group that has 53 members. It has no place in a business-run board with thousands of members.

    B) As much as this will ruffle feathers, the decision of moderators does not need, and in fact probably should not, be dictated by time in the Fire Service, rank in the Fire Service, etc. When I was a Mod at military.com I was an E-4/SPC. Most Mods there were mid-grade NCOs, with a couple sr NCOs (E-7 thru E-9), and only two Officer Mods (the Admin, who was a Major, and another Army forums Mod who was an SF Captain), in the entire site. A couple Mods were even civilians/dependents (running the Families&Friends and DOD Civilian sections).

    C) Sites don't need as many Mods as you might think...for a site of this size and activity level, 5-10 should be good. We ran Mil.com with 27 Mods...and as far as posting activity, that site did in one section what this entire site does in a day.

    D) A good point was made about "warnings" or temp suspensions. This goes for the WT, as something they can immediately implement: you don't have to wait till things "melt down" and start pounding the "BanHammer" all around. You can give people a "two-day time-out", and have a graduated process for "discipline". There's no need to wait till things get out of hand and then start meteing out the "death penalty".
    Besides, "permanently banning" someone, then bringing them back shortly thereafter, kind of makes you look like an indecisive dolt.
    My opinions might coincide with someone of importance's POV... I wouldn't know, since I never bothered to ask. My policy is: "Don't ask, don't care."

    IACOJ--West Coast PITA

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Forum Idea
    By Thaddie in forum Firefighters Forum
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 10-17-2006, 10:34 PM
  2. dissaray on apparatus forum
    By apparatusfan in forum Firehouse.Com Site Comments
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 04-09-2006, 03:44 PM
  3. car forums
    By StoveBolt in forum The Off Duty Forums
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 10-08-2004, 06:51 PM
  4. Cooking/recipes forum
    By fireman388 in forum Firehouse.Com Site Comments
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 09-22-2002, 09:08 PM
  5. This forum needs some life! How to get more people on this forum?
    By Station7Cadet in forum Fire Explorer & Jr. Firefighting
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 03-09-2002, 01:28 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts

Log in

Click here to log in or register