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    When looking at a pike pole on the metal sharp end. Some have these bumps on the sides or a few that I have seen have a hole drilled in them. Can some on please explain what these are for? I have asked around and nobody seem to know. Maybe there is no reason for them I don't know just wondering. Thanks in advanced

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    If I am understanding you correctly you mean the bottom (handle) has either holes in it or bumps. It could be a way to attach an extension by fitting the bumps into the pole, something like this... http://www.firehooksunlimited.net/hooksystem.html

    ^ I have never actually held one of these so I don't know how they connect.

    just a random guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBohan2 View Post
    When looking at a pike pole on the metal sharp end. Some have these bumps on the sides or a few that I have seen have a hole drilled in them. Can some on please explain what these are for? I have asked around and nobody seem to know. Maybe there is no reason for them I don't know just wondering. Thanks in advanced
    Are they left over from the manufacturing process? I assume you are talking about this bump??

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    If it is on the handle the notches on the end let you know what way the hook is pointed. I have no idea about the hole unless you put a lanyard through it?
    Some hooks I have seen have notches on the back of the head to better cut through lath and plaster.
    Are these modifications or did the hooks come with them?

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    In the picture the bump is from the casting, it has no function other then that is how metal got into the cast.

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    The bumps on the side of the pike head keep the pole from sliding out of a fork-and-ring mount on the truck. I'm sure there's an offical name for that type of mount, but I have no idea what it is.
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    This is the most important question you have regarding working as a Fire Person? (P.C. has gone shtupid for a minute)

    Get a life.

    Do you understand which one is the tool? Have you been shown how to use it, have you seen it demonstrated, have you used the tool (I am not talking about a warm horse here) yourself?

    You seem obsessed with a wee dimple or hole in a hunk of metal. Do you feel this is relevant to your existance?

    Will it make a major impact?

    Does it cause you concern to use the hunk of gobbing metal, or would you like the bigger shinnier version from X?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    RBohan2

    This is the most important question you have regarding working as a Fire Person? (P.C. has gone shtupid for a minute)

    Get a life.

    Do you understand which one is the tool? Have you been shown how to use it, have you seen it demonstrated, have you used the tool (I am not talking about a warm horse here) yourself?

    You seem obsessed with a wee dimple or hole in a hunk of metal. Do you feel this is relevant to your existance?

    Will it make a major impact?

    Does it cause you concern to use the hunk of gobbing metal, or would you like the bigger shinnier version from X?

    The confusion will continue unabated until people are removed from comities. Kiwi 2007.


    give him a break kiwi, it was a valid question, and i think he got some good answers. You don't always have to be so negative

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    Maybe they are for added pleasure when RBohan2 jams it up Kiwis butt.
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    Come on!!!

    I didn't know what the dimple was for either (not that I cared). I also agree that are are more pressing issues out there... BUT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ullrichk View Post
    The bumps on the side of the pike head keep the pole from sliding out of a fork-and-ring mount on the truck. I'm sure there's an offical name for that type of mount, but I have no idea what it is.
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    Alright...you guys are going to think I am crazy. The hook in the picture is a what we today refer to as a National Pike Pole. The most common head design found in the United States. Why? Because too many people specing the equipment we use, do not do research and/or are very inexperienced and/or too lazy and allow some salesman who more times than not are also very inexperienced themselves.

    It's design dates back to the 14th century where it was used on ships. The "knobs" where intended to prevent the head from being driven too far into a material. However, as most of us know they function very poorly at there intended purpose. In fact the entire pike pole design functions poorly for most fireground operations. Today there are far superior designs on the market that work much better without as much effort in the hands of a SKILLED user.

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    1. Why is this screen so huge?

    2. This is a far better tool than the pike pole:
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    BING BING! We have a winner.


    Actually, we have a bunch of winners.
    The metal bumps are to prevent the hook from sliding forward in the mounting bracket on the Apparatus.

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    Kiwi I was just wondering. There are more pressing issues out there but this happened to be a question I had just a question I thought that my brothers out there would help me out. They did! All except you, If you dont ask the little questions then how do you prepare to answer the big ones.

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    Oh ya thanks to those who replied to my small but "insignificant" question.

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    There is still an unanswered question in this thread and I am interested in the answer...why is this screen so wide? I have had this maybe 2 or 3 other times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocVBFDE14 View Post
    1. Why is this screen so huge?

    2. This is a far better tool than the pike pole:
    1. The screen is so big because of the image posted in post #3. It's a jpg image at 2500 x 2000. Most screens are set for 1024 x 768.

    2. What is that thing called?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocVBFDE14 View Post
    1. Why is this screen so huge?

    2. This is a far better tool than the pike pole:

    is in the pic a hook? what is the main difference between hook and pike pole?the size or the use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    1. The screen is so big because of the image posted in post #3. It's a jpg image at 2500 x 2000. Most screens are set for 1024 x 768.

    2. What is that thing called?

    The hook is a new york roof hook, id call the little dimples on the pike dickfers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchfireball View Post
    is in the pic a hook? what is the main difference between hook and pike pole?the size or the use?
    I Think the main difference is the attitude of the Truckie.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwoods View Post
    I Think the main difference is the attitude of the Truckie.......

    LOOK!! I got the post size back to Normal.........

    ok so same tool but depends on where you are(city,state) and who uses it.in FDNY they will call that hook for example and in another state,it could be call pike pole.?finally i got what you meant?


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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchfireball View Post
    ok so same tool but depends on where you are(city,state) and who uses it.in FDNY they will call that hook for example and in another state,it could be call pike pole.?finally i got what you meant?


    ps;if i'm totally wrong,do not kill me,not right now,lol.joke.
    Eh. Not really the same tool as an improvement on the concept. Yes it is called the New York roof hook.

    The hook gives you capabilities that the pike pole does not possess. The curve at the bottom of the hook is good for getting a bite and lifting roof scuttle covers.

    The hooks at the top gives for more punching/pushing power than the single "spear" on the pike pole. When pulling ceilings, the wider coverage of the hook equals greater ceiling pulled. That in turns equals less work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocVBFDE14 View Post
    Eh. Not really the same tool as an improvement on the concept. Yes it is called the New York roof hook.

    The hook gives you capabilities that the pike pole does not possess. The curve at the bottom of the hook is good for getting a bite and lifting roof scuttle covers.

    The hooks at the top gives for more punching/pushing power than the single "spear" on the pike pole. When pulling ceilings, the wider coverage of the hook equals greater ceiling pulled. That in turns equals less work.
    thank you so much for your reply and the many explanations you gave.it helps me to understand better.the roof hook will be a great tool for the roof men.
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    I prefer the rubbish hook (aka trash hook, vent hook) with a D handle developed by the LAFD.

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