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    Look at physiques in the Olympic games Mark McGuire and the HR champ Mark McGuire. Look at rookie Jason Giambi and today's Jason Giambi. Tell me they were not on something.

    Another thing. Look at A-Rd. A-Rod has the same physique today that he did when he hit his first HR. Not all HR hitters are juicing.

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    Didn't cry, don't care about sports. You are jaded and blinded by your own greatness.

    I don't care if I get called on what I say. If I am wrong I am worng. Life goes on.

    And the reason I call professional athletes crybabies is because many cry when they called on whining that 8 million a year is not enough, they go on strike because they aren't paid enough, or whatever reason.


    You will think what you think, I will think what I think. We will see what happens.

    But again, I am just weak to you since I can't lift 400 pounds. One's ego does not have to weigh that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Look at physiques in the Olympic games Mark McGuire and the HR champ Mark McGuire. Look at rookie Jason Giambi and today's Jason Giambi. Tell me they were not on something.

    Another thing. Look at A-Rd. A-Rod has the same physique today that he did when he hit his first HR. Not all HR hitters are juicing.
    No George. Everyone of these 40 and near-40 year olds have done it naturally. Just ask our all knowing co-poster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeSharkie
    You think Bonds or any athlete that has bulked up over 50 pounds of muscle while in their late 20s - 40s and has not had assistance you are nuts. It is damned near physiologically impossible to do.
    When Shark made the above comment, you responded wilth:
    Quote Originally Posted by Raughammer1
    Even more horse do-hockey! LOL, 2002 I weighed 174 pounds, in 2005 I weighed in a 222 pounds and benched 365 for 8 reps and could bench 425 twice. Steroids? LOL, no, though other pencil neck wannabes would like to believe that. Simply because someone else did it, and they cant do it, the other guy must be "cheating".
    Then you went on to say:
    Quote Originally Posted by Raughammer1
    Well you should be talking about supplements, vitamins and weight training; the right mix can really help your body to respond. Before 2005 pro hormones like andro and nor-19 were legal over the counter supplements available at GNC and yes, I used them.
    Considering that prohormones like Andro were made a controlled substance along with anabolic steroids under the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004, aren't they in fact "assistance" as referenced by Sharkie? Not to mention that they ultimately result in increased testosterone levels, as is the goal of anabolic steroids. Seems pretty clear that they are "assistance". In light of the fact they are now illegal and their posession is a Federal crime, coupled with their sale being banned by the FDA due to health hazards very similar to steroids, I don't see much validity to the claim that they are simply "supplements". Along that line, it seems your claim of bulking unassisted seems at best to be disingenuous, and your experience as an exemplar to Bonds' "unassisted" bulking wholly irrelevant.

    I'd say Shark's observation was pretty much spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Didn't cry, don't care about sports. You are jaded and blinded by your own greatness.

    But again, I am just weak to you since I can't lift 400 pounds. One's ego does not have to weigh that much.
    Oh man, this is rich.

    Fella, its ok, man, i am sorry, i did not mean to upset you so. I honestly had no idea you were that fragile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    No George. Everyone of these 40 and near-40 year olds have done it naturally. Just ask our all knowing co-poster.
    LOL, man talk about hitting a nerve! Whooo hooo!

    Fella YOUR the one using the absolutes like "all" and "everyone" and "happens all the time" and "HALF of all bikers".
    Ahh thats ok you can project on me your failings. Hey, if it makes you feel better, you go right on ahead and fire away.

    Man, talk about fragile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamer View Post
    Considering that prohormones like Andro were made a controlled substance along with anabolic steroids under the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004, aren't they in fact "assistance" as referenced by Sharkie?
    heck i have no idea, i asked that same question pretty much, i never got an answer from ol sharkie. My response would have been they were 100% legal when Macguire and i both were using them. They were over the counter supplements sold at every GNC in America.

    Hey man, if you want to consider that "cheating" with ol Shark dance, you are more than welcome to it.


    Not to mention that they ultimately result in increased testosterone levels, as is the goal of anabolic steroids.
    Ultimately they sure do, just not in any where near the level of steroids or do they follow the same ways of getting there. Pro-hormones had to be changed by the body to raise testosterone levels, steroids just go right at it.
    It is similar to comparing fire crackers to TNT. Sure both do the same thing: Explode. But one is FAR more destructive than the other.

    Seems pretty clear that they are "assistance".
    LOL, heck, so is a spotter.
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    Who really cares either way??

    I don't dislike Barry Bonds because he has or has not ever used steroids. I dislike him because he comes off like an arrogant F'ing ***** who does not care about his fellow players, the fans, or even the game. He seems to care only about Barry; he shouldn't be surprised that he is the only one that does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    Who really cares either way??

    I don't dislike Barry Bonds because he has or has not ever used steroids. I dislike him because he comes off like an arrogant F'ing ***** who does not care about his fellow players, the fans, or even the game. He seems to care only about Barry; he shouldn't be surprised that he is the only one that does.
    You're intitled to your opinion Robert. I, growing up in NorCal have attended quite a few Giants games and I can say this about Barry Bonds. He is a baseball player in the truest sense of the word. He does not "sell" his name to video games or those jayhawking pro-autograph dealers who try to make a fast buck off his name. He does not want fame, the record is for him personally and for the loyal Giants fans who attend the games. I have seen him on more than one occaision give one of his personal bats to a child in the stands. He has given countless baseballs to kids in the stands all with the promise that they will never sell the ball. He will invite kids out to watch batting practice then give them pointers off to the side. Barry bonds loves baseball and he is no sellout. He cares for the team. Hell he was willing to take a paycut if necessary just so the team could aquire A-Rod if it went that far. I'm probably not making a dent with you or anyone else who is a Bonds hater, but the press is only going to let you see what they want you to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raughammer1 View Post
    Oh man, this is rich.

    Fella, its ok, man, i am sorry, i did not mean to upset you so. I honestly had no idea you were that fragile.
    Not fragile. Couldn't care less what people think of me. Life is too short.

    Like I said, you are wonderful enough to have never used common phrasing and comments in your massive linguistic library.

    We should all want to be as magnificent as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    You're intitled to your opinion Robert. I, growing up in NorCal have attended quite a few Giants games and I can say this about Barry Bonds. He is a baseball player in the truest sense of the word. He does not "sell" his name to video games or those jayhawking pro-autograph dealers who try to make a fast buck off his name. He does not want fame, the record is for him personally and for the loyal Giants fans who attend the games. I have seen him on more than one occaision give one of his personal bats to a child in the stands. He has given countless baseballs to kids in the stands all with the promise that they will never sell the ball. He will invite kids out to watch batting practice then give them pointers off to the side. Barry bonds loves baseball and he is no sellout. He cares for the team. Hell he was willing to take a paycut if necessary just so the team could aquire A-Rod if it went that far. I'm probably not making a dent with you or anyone else who is a Bonds hater, but the press is only going to let you see what they want you to see.
    That is an excellent commentary "snowball" on Barry Bonds, thanks for sharing your different perspective on the man.

    Though I doubt your words will change many opinions, I enjoyed reading them none the less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowball View Post
    You're intitled to your opinion Robert. I, growing up in NorCal have attended quite a few Giants games and I can say this about Barry Bonds. He is a baseball player in the truest sense of the word. He does not "sell" his name to video games or those jayhawking pro-autograph dealers who try to make a fast buck off his name. He does not want fame, the record is for him personally and for the loyal Giants fans who attend the games. I have seen him on more than one occaision give one of his personal bats to a child in the stands. He has given countless baseballs to kids in the stands all with the promise that they will never sell the ball. He will invite kids out to watch batting practice then give them pointers off to the side. Barry bonds loves baseball and he is no sellout. He cares for the team. Hell he was willing to take a paycut if necessary just so the team could aquire A-Rod if it went that far. I'm probably not making a dent with you or anyone else who is a Bonds hater, but the press is only going to let you see what they want you to see.

    I do not hate Barry Bonds. But I believe there is ample information to suggest that he cheated. IMO, he does not deserve the record because it was not attained honestly.

    He may be everything you say. But he cheated.

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    It's a number in a book, what does it really have to do with anything important in life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    It's a number in a book, what does it really have to do with anything important in life?
    It doesn't. But too many people's lives revolve around sports and "professional" athletes.
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