I have been tasked with typing our city's equipment and am having some trouble typing the engines especially (mostly due to the fact that NIMS is based off of wildland firefighting and we are in an urban setting). Our engines are 1500 GPM, 500 Gal tank, and carry:
1,000 ft. - 5 inch
400 ft. - 2 1/2 inch
700 ft. - 1 3/4 inch
and typically ride 3 on the engine.
I am finding that the hose sizes for the NIMS typing do not match the sizes that we carry. Furthermore, if I simply convert what they list as 1inch to our 1 3/4, their 1.5 inch to our 2.5 inch, and their 2.5 inch to our 5 inch, I am left fitting into a type 5 engine.
How have other urban settings done this? Any feedback would be of great help.
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Thread: Help with NIMS Resource Typing
08-16-2007, 10:09 AM #1
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Help with NIMS Resource Typing
08-16-2007, 07:05 PM #2
Resource: Engine, Fire (Pumper)
Category: Firefighting (ESF #4)
Minimum Capabilities (Component) Minimum Capabilities
(Metric) Type 1 Type2 Type3 Type4 Type V
Pump Capacity 1,000 500 GPM 120 GPM 70 GPM 50 GPM 50
Tank Capacity 400 Gallon 400 Gallon 500 Gallon 750 Gallon 500
Hose, 2.5 inch 1,200 Feet 1,000 Feet
Hose, 1.5 inch 400 Feet 500 Feet 1,000 Feet 300 Feet 300 Feet
Hose, 1 inch 200 Feet 300 Feet 800 Feet 300 Feet 300 Feet 300
Personnel 4 3 3 2 2
That's the chart... your engine is a type2."...there isn't a firefighter in the free world who is forced to join this profession." -John Norman
08-17-2007, 10:43 AM #3
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Wanna make sure I'm on the same track
Strictly on the hose criteria, do you say type 2 because:
You use our 5 inch in place of the 2.5 inch
You combine our 2.5 inch and 1.75 inch (400+700) and use it in place of the combo 1.5 and 1 inch (500+300) that they have.
Was that how you did it?
What if we added an extra man (making it 4) and did not change the hose, would you consider that a type 1. (Taking 200 of our 2.5 inch and add it to our 1000 ft of 5 inch; then you have 900 ft left of combo 2.5 and 1.75)
Would that be correct?
Thanks for the feedback,
08-17-2007, 06:03 PM #4
Most fire dept's main structural engine is a Type I (before the staffing requirement). Your engine fits into Type II because your staffing is at 3 personnel. If you were to list your Engines as Type I on a local, state or federal resource list, than you would have to increase staffing during a call out.
My dept has that engines that run with 3 on a regular basis. Our union is looking into ways of using the NIMS definition of a Type I engine (and NFPA 1710) to increase our staffing. If we have a major incident in our city and our engines were only Type II (and do not meet the 1710 standard), it won't be the firefighters or union that have to answer questions of liability."...there isn't a firefighter in the free world who is forced to join this profession." -John Norman
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