Lockheed Martin in Denver, CO area

[arff42]

Hi

Does anyone have information on the fire positions at Lockheed Martin in the Denver, CO area? They are listed as Security/ERT jobs. Based on the duties and requirements, it sounds like it could be descent. Also, wondering if Northrop Grumman in Aroura, CO has there own department.

Basically, I am looking for information about Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman Fire related jobs in the Denver area.

Thanks everyone,

Kev

[Firedawg34]

My Uncle works with lockheed in Colorado springs and when I was retiring from the air force I had him look it up for me. As of Nov 2005 it was only paying around $35,000 a year. If you want me to have him look it up for you on his website just email me at dhudspeth1@cfl.rr.com

[arff42]

Thanks for your responce. I emailed you earlier today.

Kev

[jonhults]

Denver Hotel Hotel Denver My Uncle works with lockheed in Colorado springs and when I was retiring from the air force I had him look it up for me. As of Nov 2005 it was only paying around $35,000 a year. If you want me to have him look it up for you on his website just email me at dhudspeth1@cfl.rr.com

I can only imagine what it would be now???
Jon
SAFD

[smokeater81]

More security officer than FF

[jonhults]

Hotel Denver My Uncle works with lockheed in Colorado springs and when I was retiring from the air force I had him look it up for me. As of Nov 2005 it was only paying around $35,000 a year. If you want me to have him look it up for you on his website just email me at dhudspeth1@cfl.rr.com

I don't get it???

[Jadedone]

WARNING! STAY AWAY!

-You'll become another casualty

[Jadedone]

uh-oh, now I'm in trouble

[Summit01]

This previous message was written very well and highly reflects the current mentality at that company. Hopefully your employer will not retaliate and read between the lines. Good luck and don't hope 4 HR to bail you out!

[Jadedone]

Back by popular demand! I again have returned to answer the burning question of, "what's it like working for lockheed martin?" in Littleton, CO.

First things first, the explanations given below greatly deal with the "fire side" of this organization.
99.9999999% of your duties entail sitting around being a security guard.
You will have to wear body armor and carry around a Glock 22 (40. cal), some guys like this and think they are cops and firemen. They are tools.

Pay - The pay is ok. You start, I believe at a little over sixteen dollars an hour. OT is 1 1/2 and holidays worked are triple time.

Benefits - are good and well above the average out there. Low deductibles and copays and good access to specialists, etc.

Respect - Absolutely zero. Management does not care if you have a GED or a Phd, you are simply another monkey to fill overtime.

Job Security - is ok...as long as you make it through your 90 day probation. After that, you're golden.

Work/Life Balance - poor, at best. You will be forced to work overtime with minimal notice. You will be forced to work 16 hour shifts with as little as a 30 minute notice and you will not receive lunch breaks or the opportunity to go off site to get food and you definitly will not hear a thank you. If you refuse because you have an appointment, a child to take care of, no food, or just don't want to work 16 hours straight; you will be written up for "insubordination".

Following your sixteen hour shift, you are expected to return to work in 8 hours for your regular shift.

Career Potential/Growth - No room for growth unless you receive a security clearance and leave Plant Protection for another position within Lockheed Martin. If by chance a salary position opens up, they already have someone in mind and it's not you. Actually, it could be you, as long as you're able to Goose-step to the beat of the manager's drum. Anyone who defies or questions managements techniques is quickly determined to be a rebel-rouser and will be targeted for discipline.

Location - unless you live in Littleton or just south of Littleton, this place is just about the most inconvenient place you could work besides Uranus.

Co-worker Competence - varies. There are a few guys here that are very knowledgable and continue their education beyond the minimum requirements of the position. Some guys volunteer or work with other agencies outside of Lockheed and keep their skills up that way. For the most part, I'd say that 75% of the people in Plant Protection are much worse off now than when they started with FFI, EMT-B and HMO.

We receive little to no training at all and our call volume for actual emergencies is extremely low. Fire training is pathetic and dangerous. There is 40 hours a year set aside for training and about 20 hours is spent just sitting idly while our managers decide how they are gonna conduct the simplest of evolutions.

The training we do receive is taught by our managers that are using techniques that are out-dated by at least a decade. The evolutions are made even more complicated because none of the managers communicate with each other. You'll literally have one tell you to do a direct fire attack before entering the building and upon entry to the building, another one will tell you not to attack and commence a search. Following this evolution they'll both blame your team for their own incompetence and failure to lead.

If Metro Fire Training Center was aware of the chances and risks taken by our management and their actual skill levels I would doubt they'd invite us back. I'm guessing they'd have some liabilty, too, in the case that something awful happens.

There is a handful of people that have no EMT or 1st Responder certs because management will not support continuing education. Yes, you are required to have this cert to be hired but once you're in, you can kiss it
good-bye, unless you are able to somehow schedule CEs and classes around your forced overtime and crappy schedule. Management wouldn't dream of even giving unpaid time off to keep your certs current and we don't receive CEs onsite because we don't have Medical Direction.

Your fire certs will be pencil whipped and sent off to the state. Is this forgery? Falsifying documents? I'm not an attorney but I'm pretty sure it's not legal. Even if it is legal, it definitly stretches my idea of good ethic or leading by example.

The managers also like to think of themselves as Waterton Canyon's very own Special Forces group. They are not. They love to give training on weapons and shooting. We have folks that have never picked up a handgun in their lives and these numb-skulls will put these individuals into active shooter scenarios. I mean, how about just letting someone get comfortable operating a weapon before you have them running around with one shooting live ammo. If you fail one of their trainings, they don't care. You will not receive remedial training or help, they just have you do another ridiculous scenario 6 or 8 or 10 months later. EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

Work Environment - HORRIBLE
Managers of this organization are posers. They wouldn't dare show their resumes' - too embarrasing, I suppose. They like to strut around in uniforms and badges and tell folks they're firefighters or work in emergency services or whatever, but when it comes down to it they are nothing but frauds and we all know it. It's sad.

These guys have no idea of what leadership is and refuse to admit it. The words 'nazi', 'regime' and 'totalitarian' come to mind when I think of our management. It's 110% do as we say, not as we do leadership.

***In closing, if you have a decent job right now - KEEP IT! Coming to work here will not get you any closer to your dream of becoming a firefighter. In fact, it will have the exact opposite effect and actually stunt your growth as a decent person.

Unless your house is going into forclosure and you can't afford Ramen Noodles, I would stay as far away as possible from this organization.

If I come off as being unhappy or discontent, I am, but that doesn't take away from these facts listed above.

You have been warned

[pewter98]

Man..maybe that's why a LM firefighter was hesitant to answer my questions while we were working out at Lockheed Martin Recreation Association in Fort Worth, Texas! Do you know or have you heard of this type of workplace atmosphere at every Lockheed Martin Fire Protection Department? I was particularly wondering about Lockheed's Fort Worth, Texas plant.

[Confetti]

I almost fell off of my chair when I read this. You need to warn people when the funny truth is coming up.

uh-oh, now I'm in trouble

[Confetti]

I could not agree more with the comments listed above. From what I hear, things have only gotten worse.

[Jadedone]

management is on the prowl. they could be preparing for upcoming burn weeks but they'd rather investigate.

[gladtobegone]

Wow, that pretty much sums it up.

[Armydog]

Back by popular demand! I again have returned to answer the burning question of, "what's it like working for lockheed martin?" in Littleton, CO.

First things first, the explanations given below greatly deal with the "fire side" of this organization.
99.9999999% of your duties entail sitting around being a security guard.
You will have to wear body armor and carry around a Glock 22 (40. cal), some guys like this and think they are cops and firemen. They are tools.

Pay - The pay is ok. You start, I believe at a little over sixteen dollars an hour. OT is 1 1/2 and holidays worked are triple time.

Benefits - are good and well above the average out there. Low deductibles and copays and good access to specialists, etc.

Respect - Absolutely zero. Management does not care if you have a GED or a Phd, you are simply another monkey to fill overtime.

Job Security - is ok...as long as you make it through your 90 day probation. After that, you're golden.

Work/Life Balance - poor, at best. You will be forced to work overtime with minimal notice. You will be forced to work 16 hour shifts with as little as a 30 minute notice and you will not receive lunch breaks or the opportunity to go off site to get food and you definitly will not hear a thank you. If you refuse because you have an appointment, a child to take care of, no food, or just don't want to work 16 hours straight; you will be written up for "insubordination".

Following your sixteen hour shift, you are expected to return to work in 8 hours for your regular shift.

Career Potential/Growth - No room for growth unless you receive a security clearance and leave Plant Protection for another position within Lockheed Martin. If by chance a salary position opens up, they already have someone in mind and it's not you. Actually, it could be you, as long as you're able to Goose-step to the beat of the manager's drum. Anyone who defies or questions managements techniques is quickly determined to be a rebel-rouser and will be targeted for discipline.

Location - unless you live in Littleton or just south of Littleton, this place is just about the most inconvenient place you could work besides Uranus.

Co-worker Competence - varies. There are a few guys here that are very knowledgable and continue their education beyond the minimum requirements of the position. Some guys volunteer or work with other agencies outside of Lockheed and keep their skills up that way. For the most part, I'd say that 75% of the people in Plant Protection are much worse off now than when they started with FFI, EMT-B and HMO.

We receive little to no training at all and our call volume for actual emergencies is extremely low. Fire training is pathetic and dangerous. There is 40 hours a year set aside for training and about 20 hours is spent just sitting idly while our managers decide how they are gonna conduct the simplest of evolutions.

The training we do receive is taught by our managers that are using techniques that are out-dated by at least a decade. The evolutions are made even more complicated because none of the managers communicate with each other. You'll literally have one tell you to do a direct fire attack before entering the building and upon entry to the building, another one will tell you not to attack and commence a search. Following this evolution they'll both blame your team for their own incompetence and failure to lead.

If Metro Fire Training Center was aware of the chances and risks taken by our management and their actual skill levels I would doubt they'd invite us back. I'm guessing they'd have some liabilty, too, in the case that something awful happens.

There is a handful of people that have no EMT or 1st Responder certs because management will not support continuing education. Yes, you are required to have this cert to be hired but once you're in, you can kiss it
good-bye, unless you are able to somehow schedule CEs and classes around your forced overtime and crappy schedule. Management wouldn't dream of even giving unpaid time off to keep your certs current and we don't receive CEs onsite because we don't have Medical Direction.

Your fire certs will be pencil whipped and sent off to the state. Is this forgery? Falsifying documents? I'm not an attorney but I'm pretty sure it's not legal. Even if it is legal, it definitly stretches my idea of good ethic or leading by example.

The managers also like to think of themselves as Waterton Canyon's very own Special Forces group. They are not. They love to give training on weapons and shooting. We have folks that have never picked up a handgun in their lives and these numb-skulls will put these individuals into active shooter scenarios. I mean, how about just letting someone get comfortable operating a weapon before you have them running around with one shooting live ammo. If you fail one of their trainings, they don't care. You will not receive remedial training or help, they just have you do another ridiculous scenario 6 or 8 or 10 months later. EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

Work Environment - HORRIBLE
Managers of this organization are posers. They wouldn't dare show their resumes' - too embarrasing, I suppose. They like to strut around in uniforms and badges and tell folks they're firefighters or work in emergency services or whatever, but when it comes down to it they are nothing but frauds and we all know it. It's sad.

These guys have no idea of what leadership is and refuse to admit it. The words 'nazi', 'regime' and 'totalitarian' come to mind when I think of our management. It's 110% do as we say, not as we do leadership.

***In closing, if you have a decent job right now - KEEP IT! Coming to work here will not get you any closer to your dream of becoming a firefighter. In fact, it will have the exact opposite effect and actually stunt your growth as a decent person.

Unless your house is going into forclosure and you can't afford Ramen Noodles, I would stay as far away as possible from this organization.

If I come off as being unhappy or discontent, I am, but that doesn't take away from these facts listed above.

You have been warned

To anyone who is thinking of applying for a job there, STAY AWAY FROM THIS PLACE. I use to be a former employee of this place. Unless you become drinking buddies or a suck up with the Chief (Darrell Root), You will not last long. His buddy Rob Mack gets away with taking extra days off work and somehow won't get any disiplinary action taken against him. The Union that they make you join is spineless and is owned by the company. So if anything goes down and you need a union Rep. forget about it.

The day shift Lt. J.T. Prater is a a**h**e. He doesn't know s**t, and if there is a incident on the plant, he won't show up to do his job. He's also two faced. He's another one of Darrell's fall guys. Keep a close eye on him.

Craig Godlove is the only supervisor worth anything.

The only thing that I miss from this place is the pay. We got paid every week.

But like I said, STAY AWAY FROM THIS PLACE.