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    Subject: statistics -- not generally published Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:27:39 -0400

    War Casualty Stats

    You will be surprised

    Why has the media not complained before the Iraq war? These are some rather eye-opening facts.

    As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider the following statistics:

    Annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2004:

    1980 .......... 2,392
    1981 .......... 2,380
    1982 .......... 2,318
    1983 .......... 2,465
    1984 .......... 1,999
    1985 .......... 2,252
    1986 .......... 1,984
    1987 .......... 1,983
    1988 .......... 1,819
    1989 .......... 1,636
    1990 .......... 1,508
    1991 .......... 1,787
    1992 .......... 1,293
    1993 .......... 1,213
    1994 .......... 1,075
    1995 .......... 1,040
    1996 ............ 974
    1997 ........... 817
    1998 ............ 826
    1999 ............ 795
    2000 ........... 774
    2001 ............ 890
    2002 .......... 1007
    2003 ......... 1,410 ----- 534*
    2004 . .........1,887 ----- 900*
    2005 ............ 919*
    2006 ........... 920*

    * Figures are Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom fatalities only

    Does this really mean that the loss from the two current conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Mr. Clinton's presidency? Were we at war?

    Now, are you confused when you look at these figures?

    Especially look at 1980, during the reign of President "Nobel Peace Prize, Jimmy Carter" himself, there were 2,392 US military fatalities.

    What this clearly indicates is that our media and our liberal politicians pick and choose, and they tend to present only those facts that support their agenda driven reporting.

    Another fact our left media and politicians like to slant is that these brave men and women losing their lives are minorities.

    Wrong again - The latest census shows the following:

    European descent (white) . 69.12%
    Hispanic ....................... 12.5%
    African American ............ 12.3%
    Asian .............................. 3.7%
    Native American ............... 1.0%
    Other .............................. . 2.6%
    Now, the fatalities over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom are:
    European descent (white) .. 74.31%
    Hispanic .......................... 10.74%
    African American ..... ..........9.67%
    Asian .............................. .. 1.81%
    Native American ... ............. 1.09%
    Other .............................. ... 2.33%

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    Subject: statistics -- not generally published Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 16:27:39 -0400

    War Casualty Stats

    These statistics are published by DOD and may be viewed at:

    Stats page

    I am firewalled, so i cant see it, but can anyone else substantiate this posts claims?

    Thanks for your help.

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    I am firewalled, so i cant see it, but can anyone else substantiate this posts claims?
    It's bogus right wing bullcrap, as usual...don't waste your time. It's just more smoke and mirrors and a truly pathetic attempt by the righties to somehow justify a stupid, unnecessary invasion that's caused the deaths of thousands upon thousands of people by attempting to compare the number of military dead under the Bush administration to those of Clinton and Carter. It is unworthy of discussion because the only people it means anything to are the Freepers and the lowlife members of other delusional rightwing hack sites. Anyone with any sense could debunk it in minutes...but I'm not wasting mine.
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    I also found it here....

    http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...20casualty.htm


    But, I dont know

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    Is there a point to this? The reason one might not read about most of the deaths that occurred in 1980 might be because they were accident related.

    The same with most of the raw data in this report.

    Looking behind the numbers detail only one military death due to hostile action during the Clinton presidency.

    What's the over/under on freepers spinning that fact into a negative?
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    So are you saying that it is okay for for thousands of soldiers to die because of accidents during the Clinton Presidency, but it is not okay for soldiers to die during a War?

    If I go by your reasoning that would be like saying that we can kill all the Firefighters we want during a training burn, but we better not have any LODD during a real assignment.

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    So I guess in SC's frame of thinking the over 700 casualties in Iraq due to accidental and non hostile don't count also? hmmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    It's bogus right wing bullcrap, as usual...don't waste your time. It's just more smoke and mirrors and..(blah, blah, blah, blah...)
    (ah geeez, :roll eyes:

    Can anyone offer an intelligent reply, one that might include a way those of who are firewalled and cannot access other web sites than this one, can see what the real deal is?

    I appreciate your assistance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    I also found it here....

    http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...20casualty.htm

    But, I dont know
    Thanks man,...wish i could see the info.
    But i do appreciate your efforts.

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    Are all of you for real? What is the point of this stat in the first place?

    I knew it would be spun that I am insensitive to the deaths of others.

    Let's take these one at a time:

    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn
    So are you saying that it is okay for for thousands of soldiers to die because of accidents during the Clinton Presidency, but it is not okay for soldiers to die during a War?

    If I go by your reasoning that would be like saying that we can kill all the Firefighters we want during a training burn, but we better not have any LODD during a real assignment.
    Didn't say that at all. You did. I would seriously consider your thought process on deductive reasoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by BFDNJFF
    So I guess in SC's frame of thinking the over 700 casualties in Iraq due to accidental and non hostile don't count also? hmmmmm
    Keep guessing. You might figure something out that is useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Is there a point to this? The reason one might not read about most of the deaths that occurred in 1980 might be because they were accident related.

    The same with most of the raw data in this report.

    Looking behind the numbers detail only one military death due to hostile action during the Clinton presidency.

    What's the over/under on freepers spinning that fact into a negative?
    So you don't think one bit that this sounds like you don't care about accidental deaths.

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    and you say we are the ones who spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    So you don't think one bit that this sounds like you don't care about accidental deaths.


    You gotta understand with his type they will say anything just to suit there cause. When they know they are wrong they get all angry and try and spin it around.
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    Oh I know, he has posted more than anybody else in my "Are you tired of the left and right" thread, but has yet to answer the original question about what HE thinks about HIS party.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    So you don't think one bit that this sounds like you don't care about accidental deaths.
    Is your thong in a twist?

    If you believe that is what I meant I'm not going to change your minds.

    No one has answered my question on what is the purpose of this question. When I get an answer I might reply.
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    The purpose of this question is this:

    Why is the media giving us up-to-the-minute Military Death stats in Iraq, but has never cared about up-to-the-minute Military Death stats until we went to War. Especially taking into account that the number of Military (War & Non-War) deaths has not changed.

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    You have to take statistics with a grain of salt boys and girls.

    Recall that under President Clinton, the Kobar Towers were bombed in Saudi Arabia (I forget the year.)

    Under Carter, the Eagle 1 raid in Iran occurred killing several.

    Under Clinton in 1993 the fights in Mogadishu occurred (recall we were there from late 1991 to 1993.

    Recall that under Reagan we lost 2 aircrews while bombing Tripoli, Libya.

    Recall that under Bush we had hostile incursions into Panama and Iraq.


    Throughout much of this, we had The Cold War with a high number of training accidents.

    Rarely does a Carrier Battle Group go to sea and not lose at least one sailor to training accidents or incidents - especially on a flight deck.

    Military aircraft crash all the time in training.

    A Marine Lt. Colonel was killed by scumbags when he was kidnapped whil assigned to the U.N. in the early 1990s.

    Do these stats include suicides? Do they include young Servicemen out drinking and getting into car wrecks?


    The information posted only states that these people dies while on active duty. No cause is listed.

    How freaking stupid are you just start blaiming an increase in deaths on who was POTUS at the time?

    Suppose we ought to blame Roosevelt, Truman, Ike, JFK, LBJ, and Nixon for all the deaths that occurred during the Cold War and WWII as well.

    Freaking get real.
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    Do these stats include suicides? Do they include young Servicemen out drinking and getting into car wrecks?

    we all agree with this. the Iraq casualties include accidents also
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    One must also take into account the quantity of military members from 1980 (Cold War era) and now. There was A LOT MORE military around than there is now!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTFIRE80 View Post
    One must also take into account the quantity of military members from 1980 (Cold War era) and now. There was A LOT MORE military around than there is now!!

    a dead soldier is still a dead soldier.
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