Anyone have a training scenario outline that involves many departments or companies? We have a combination dept. and there are multiple volunteer and career departments around us. I want to present an outline to our training division and I don't have very much to start with. Anything would be helpful. Thanks!
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08-21-2007, 04:40 PM #1
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08-25-2007, 11:02 AM #2
What are your objectives for this training?We're not spliting rocket hairs here people!
Training is like building a pyramid, if you want it to last, you don't built it pointy side down!
08-30-2007, 02:56 AM #3
If your looking for saving our own training I can help since our department is actively involved in training other departments in our county.
We have in house training stations for the Denver and Nance Drill, Stair Rescue, Firefighter Disorientation.
Like Bfranse stated....we need to know your objectives so we can assist you in obtaining your goals.Jim Shultz
Oshtemo Fire Dept
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11-04-2007, 01:36 AM #4
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Well without knowing more, all I can offer is based upon what my department does. Currently, we take one training night a month and do a joint training with two of our neighboring departments (including us, 6 stations all together.) Each department (3) takes turns arranging and planning the training. This program is only in its third month now, but I can tell you what we've done so far:
The first month we did a joint walk-through of a high risk area that is actually shared between two of our departments. It is an old college with numerous buildings. All we did was meet with a representative from the college, and he walked us through several buildings and provided relevant information to us. The issue that I felt we had with this was that many of the younger members present found it to be boring and probably did not gain much from it. So then you have these other departments getting bored at your training, and I just feel thats not a great way to start.
Last month was a simple get together going over ropes, knots, and this particular stations apparatus. We were split up into different groups and members from different stations were mixed together. There were multiple evolutions going over things like tying off certain tools, hose lines, etc, and then one that went over the location/use of various tools on the apparatus. This went better than the first as everyone was involved I believe. The only downside was that most of the older members didn't really need much practice with ropes and knots, so it wasn't too beneficial to them.
This month we are having another drill with one of the other stations separate from the joint training, but since it fits I'll mention it. We are going to a retirement home in our territory and assisting them with their drill/evacuation as well as going through several simulations of things like positioning aerials, ground ladders, establishing various commands, etc. Now since we haven't done this, I don't know how it will go. But from the looks of it, we're not only familiarizing ourselves with a large residential building, but also training on many of the basic techniques that will be used at any building fire.
To me, the last situation I mentioned seems to be the ideal for this kind of training. It covers many skills, familiarization, and promotes cooperation/coordination between the various stations involved. I don't know if this is exactly what you're looking for, but here it is anyways. Like I said, we're just getting started, so I'm sure we'd be welcome to any ideas/suggestions as well.
11-11-2007, 12:55 PM #5
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Not sure on exactly what you are looking to get out of it, here are some ideas. If I am off base please let me know and I will try to help you in a better way. These are some ideas/problems I have seen from my departments
These are all based on a 2 alarm+ incident
1)response- who do you need for the incident ie: more fire than ems for a commercial warehouse or more fire and ems for a nursing home
1a) staging for those 2nd alarm + units, you want this predetermined if possible for your larger locations- therefore your IC does not need to think where people are coming from and where to put them, this way the units will go to X location with a staging officer and the staging officer can then direct those units as needed. This is great so you do not clutter the fg and if you need manpower instead of another eng/truck you can get just people not vehicles and people.
2)Develope a mayday standard that you and your surrounding departments agree on. This way on a large incident when a firefighter from X department issues a mayday, all departments know what it means (use simple words not 10 codes) and everyone can take appropriate organized action. This includes possible ems units requested,additional rescue co. etc I have a basic one written up if you need it let me know.
2) water supply- is your service area all hydrant or do you need your own. This is important for onscene drop spots and a route for tanker to refill. Also, if you will need big water, what hydrants on are the same grid. If everyone hits hydrants on the same grid you will divide the water supply between those units.
3)This sounds maybe stupid and simple, but get as many of the departments together in a big parking lot(may take a few sessions depends on how many units) Go through eachothers units and see who has what and how it works. I know air packs are air packs, but if you only ever used one model, you maybe confused using one off of another unit that is slightly different than yours.Or who has TIC's, special saws/rescue equipment etc. Kinda of a show and tell, not a showoff and tell.
4)training/physical fitness standards. Try to adopt at least some basic standards that all of the departments will have (this may facillitate consolidation in the future- if not, you will know that a ff from any dept should be able to do such and such task- this should be beyond essentials, blood borne pathogens, and hazmat awareness)
5)Schedule a topic each month ie: january: rescue, feb:truck co ops. and like Stukov said have a different station plan the training.
6)maybe once a year or every 2 years, go to a burn site, and throughout the day go through different senerios that would occur within your response area
Hope this helps. I know this seems like a lot, but you don't have to do this right off the bat, break them down and work into the whole idea/plan slowly or adapt for your co.
11-11-2007, 04:51 PM #6
We just put together an MCI drill involving us and several(8) other departments including the Lifeguard bird. The scenario was a school bus full of kids on their way back from a field trip got hit by a semi truck resulting in an overturn of the bus and tractor fire on the semi. It gave everyone a chance to utilize triage, extrication, and the total chaos that goes along with an MCI. We had one of the local hospitals do moluage on our victims which consisted of the local boy scout troops and our school dance team. There was about 40 victims total. I got a bus donated to our dept by a friend I work with so cost was nill. We tipped it over at an intersection in front of our school and loaded it up with kids. It was coordinated with county dispatch so our response times could be as real as possible. We also had our county EMA there to evaluate and critque. It went very well and everyone learned a few things from it.Buck
01-26-2008, 08:31 AM #7
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Don't know where your located but alot of states like MN have hidden grants for hazmat multi dept training. These grants are hidden and will take some research to find but the grant outline (HMEP) will tell you the scenario they want to reach and require multi agencies or depts. We used one of these grants to host a NIMS training event. These grants are sponsored by Homeland Security. good luck
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