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    And Iraqi television showed cheering throngs in the streets after September 11th.How does that make a country run so closely by its dictator look benevolent?
    From reading lots of WWII history as a kid,the plan was for Europe to be the focus and the Pacific campaigns were to take second place as far as troops and equipment until that part of the war was won.The Asians were on their own while this was going on.
    It seems to me that just because the insurgents haven't laid down yet, all fighting means a failure to some people.On recent news,the insurgents are pulling back to"restructure".If the coalition did that,I think CNN would be saying it was because of getting their butts whipped.

    Yes,it is a nightmare.I am sure everyone including Hillary thought that once Hussein was out of office or not in control of his troops,the war would be over and done.However,even in Germany,German soldiers fought on even after Hitler did the world a favor and killed himself.
    Japanese soldiers kept on and didn't believe the war had been won well into the 80s.
    If you have a solution to this,have you written the President and advised him of this?Just think,you could end up with your name in the history books if it works.

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    But Germany was allied with a nation that did attack the US.

    As far as Dems being President at the times of those actions......

    I do love the rationalizations conservatives use to justify this foreign policy nightmare.

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    In the minority.The Dems have a majority in both the House and the Senate,yet despite polls saying how little support this war has still can't get the votes to withdraw the troops.
    Or maybe it's because troop deployments aren't controlled by the Legislative Branch but the Executive Branch down the chain of command to the various military commanders.

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    Where were the big bad republican's then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    The day her convoy got hit,I was with friends as their brother/son/husband took off with his KYNG unit to Ft Campbell for training and deployment.
    It seems to me the newsies were the one that started trumpeting her.I could be wrong though.I just don't remember any Army types saying heroic things about anyone because at the time,they didn't know what had happened.
    I doubt it was the newsies who put her in for the Bronze Star.

    Using Private Lynch

    As I pointed out earlier, she has handled herself very well despite the publicity of her heroics that were ill reported. Given that she volunteered to serve her country and was willingly deployed to a war zone puts her way ahead of a POS like Nugent.
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    And Iraqi television showed cheering throngs in the streets after September 11th.How does that make a country run so closely by its dictator look benevolent?
    I cant remember what station it was but one of them appologized for using such footage since it was from 1994 and from a whole different country...

    or then again there might have been several different footages

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    Germany and Italy declared war on the U.S. first, as a condition of their alliance with Japan, on Dec 7, 1941. The U.S. did not declare war on Germany and Italy until Dec 11, 1941.

    According to many of the troops who were present in the area during the Jessica Lynch incident, in particular the Marine units that were nearby, the story of "PFC Lynch's last stand" was exaggerated more and more by the press the farther away from Iraq the story got. The Army went along with it, but they did not manufacture the initial reports.

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    The Army went along with it, but they did not manufacture the initial reports.
    Baloney. The Pentagon are the ones that released the initial propaganda in the first place. Otherwise, she would have been yet another faceless statistic...just like the soldiers that actually fought and died on that very day. Lynch herself has said as much...but only after whoring herself out as much as possible for dollars.
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    Baloney. The Pentagon are the ones that released the initial propaganda in the first place. Otherwise, she would have been yet another faceless statistic.

    Glad to know you're such an expert on what happens in the military. The press wanted her to be more than what she was in the first place. Even you have to realize that not everything is a conspiracy, but then again, maybe not.

    She deserves a lot of credit for squaring away the truth of what really happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Baloney. The Pentagon are the ones that released the initial propaganda in the first place. Otherwise, she would have been yet another faceless statistic...just like the soldiers that actually fought and died on that very day. Lynch herself has said as much...but only after whoring herself out as much as possible for dollars.

    Okay, I'll take your word for it, not the guys who were there. You and your conspiracy theories.

    As far as "whoring", are you serious? You're right, how dare this young lady who was disabled in the service of her country get a few bucks out of it. I'm sure you wouldn't believe this, even though its right from CNN (not FOX) : "The soft-spoken soldier suffered three breaks in her left leg, multiple breaks in her right foot, a fractured disk in her back, a broken right upper arm and lacerations on her head during an Iraqi attack early in the war. Proceeds from her book deal were used to set up a foundation for Piestewa's children and others." In case you forget, Piestewa was her friend who was driving the vehicle and was KIA.

    Maybe she kept enough money to buy herself a new cane and a handicapped decal. I'll keep the rest of my thoughts to myself so I don't get banned.

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    Glad to know you're such an expert on what happens in the military. The press wanted her to be more than what she was in the first place. Even you have to realize that not everything is a conspiracy, but then again, maybe not.
    The media's ***. The whole escapade was engineered by the military from the start. Filming the rescue? Taking a flag with them for her to carry on the way out? Yeah...right. That happens all the time.
    Okay, I'll take your word for it, not the guys who were there. You and your conspiracy theories.
    You don't have to take mine...take hers.
    As far as "whoring", are you serious? You're right, how dare this young lady who was disabled in the service of her country get a few bucks out of it.
    A few bucks? She rode the scam wagon for a lot more than a few bucks.
    In case you forget, Piestewa was her friend who was driving the vehicle and was KIA.
    I haven't forgotten...but apparantly most everyone else has. No movie, book deal, or celebrity status for her or the thousands of others who have been maimed and killed in this stupid war.
    Maybe she kept enough money to buy herself a new cane and a handicapped decal. I'll keep the rest of my thoughts to myself so I don't get banned.
    Oh, no! We wouldn't want you to get banned, now would we?
    Let it roll, dude...I'm not gonna report anyone. If you get banned, it will be because of someone else. The point is, this whole thing was hyped by the military. The true heroes of the day were ignored, and the pretty little white girl was used as a propaganda tool. There is no disputing this.

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    And as for Nugent...he must be some kind of undie-wetting, pussified loser to need a closet full of machine guns to feel safe. His idea of being a man is to shoot some unsuspecting animal with a high powered weapon. I wish he'd move on to attacking full-grown grizzly bears with a pocket knife. Then I might respect him...post mortem, of course. The truth is, he's an unbalanced headcase that regularly uses his antics and hysterics to take money from people even dumber than he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
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    Did Germany directly attack the US?

    Did the US, even though having laws to prohibit it from supporting wars of which it was not involved at the time, give Britain ships, planes, and fuel through the lend lease act?

    The US did the same during the Russian Afgan war but did Russia declare war on the US?
    Actually German U-Boats attacked US Flagged merchant vessels in the terrioritoal waters of the United States and the North Atlantic before a decleration of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    And as for Nugent...he must be some kind of undie-wetting, pussified loser to need a closet full of machine guns to feel safe. His idea of being a man is to shoot some unsuspecting animal with a high powered weapon. I wish he'd move on to attacking full-grown grizzly bears with a pocket knife. Then I might respect him...post mortem, of course. The truth is, he's an unbalanced headcase that regularly uses his antics and hysterics to take money from people even dumber than he is.
    I like Ted but his political views are very extreme....Now as for you Nozzleman, Ted is an outdoorsman in every sense of the word. He owns a "closet full of machine guns" because it is his right to do so. You dont like hunting and thats your right, but it is also his right, mine also, to hunt. You continue your tree hugging and I will continue hunting
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    The media's ***. The whole escapade was engineered by the military from the start. Filming the rescue? Taking a flag with them for her to carry on the way out?
    Your right, Katie Couric is in bed with the military, and President Bush.

    The media saw a chance to make headlines and get ratings. Whatís better than a female, since the feminists movement is so worried about putting women in the infantry, whatís better than a Ďheroí female soldier taken prisoner.
    They were the oneís who kept pushing the story and headlining it.
    You also have a lot of gall, and no tact at all. She served her country, was involved in combat, captured by thugs and raped and tortured; any money she can make, so be it. She was still the one raped and abused after all.

    and the pretty little white girl was used as a propaganda tool. There is no disputing this.
    And what about the black girl on Oprah, who was involved with Jessicaís story, did you forget about her already?

    His idea of being a man is to shoot some unsuspecting animal with a high powered weapon.
    You have a problem with hunters now? Many of us here enjoy deer, elk and moose hunting, and itís quite the economic boost to some very poor parts of the state up here. Or, should we talk about thinning herds so animals donít starve, or sickness spread like wild fire? Now that you mention, youíre right, hunters are bad.

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    I like Ted but his political views are very extreme....Now as for you Nozzleman, Ted is an outdoorsman in every sense of the word.
    Yeah...if by "outdoorsman" you mean killing everything you see for fun.
    He owns a "closet full of machine guns" because it is his right to do so.
    I have the right to run through the local Walmart stark naked eating pudding...but I don't, because I'm not a raving lunatic. Having the "right" to do something is one thing...but feeling the need to act as he does is a completely different matter. He doesn't own all those weapons because he has a right to; he has so many because he has serious psychological issues.
    You dont like hunting and thats your right, but it is also his right, mine also, to hunt. You continue your tree hugging and I will continue hunting
    I don't hug trees...nor do I get my jollies out of watching an animal that never did anything to me bleed to death, as it gasps for its last breath after I shoot it from the shadows with a high powered weapon. If that makes you feel like a man, then by all means, go for it. Today's "sport" hunters hunt for thrills, not necessity. I have better things to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    .... because I'm not a raving lunatic. ....
    Considerable evidence posted on this fine forum call THAT into question Mr supporter of the US military and all things American.

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    They were the oneís who kept pushing the story and headlining it.
    Oh, the media was complicit as well...just like they were with promoting the war in general. It's all about the money. If they had practised real journalism, we wouldn't be in Iraq today. But the Lynch hype was started by the military intentionally. That should be obvious by now.
    You also have a lot of gall, and no tact at all. She served her country, was involved in combat, captured by thugs and raped and tortured; any money she can make, so be it. She was still the one raped and abused after all.
    I never stated that she didn't have a rough go. I'm as much of an advocate for her as I am for any soldier put in this situation for no real reason. I've been quite clear on that for years, now. She, along with the thousands of others killed and maimed, should never have been there in the first place. And her making money is one issue...the military making propaganda out of things like this is my main gripe.
    You have a problem with hunters now? Many of us here enjoy deer, elk and moose hunting, and itís quite the economic boost to some very poor parts of the state up here. Or, should we talk about thinning herds so animals donít starve, or sickness spread like wild fire? Now that you mention, youíre right, hunters are bad.
    Thinning herds? Hell, if Rambos like you hadn't killed all the natural predators, you wouldn't have to worry about "thinning" the herds. Nature has been taking care of itself long before the Winchester rifle was invented. You'll have to come up with a better excuse for your bloodlust than that, I'm afraid. I'm around gun nuts and hunters every single day...I know exactly why they do what they do. And helping out the poor herds has zero to do with it, either. Hell, I used to be one myself before I began to ask just why the hell I was killing things for fun, which is what 99% of "sport" hunting is all about.

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    Considerable evidence posted on this fine forum call THAT into question Mr supporter of the US military and all things American.
    Eh? You mean my constant position on the stupid invasion of Iraq, our real reasons for being there, and the end results? Something you've supported since day one? Now that I've been proven right time and again, I'm the raving lunatic? You need a reality check, friend. Many good people have lost their lives, dying for the lies of the Bush administration. I was opposed to sending them to die in the first place, something you supported. They are dying for no good reason, just like in Vietnam. Ties to terrorism...ties to 9/11...weapons of mass destruction...all lies. And now, even the president and his republican warmongering buddies are using cheap, readily available gasoline as a reason for soldiers to continue to be killed and maimed.
    Yeah...I'm the lunatic, all right.

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    Uncle Ted dosent kill for fun, he kills for food and the joys of being in the great outdoors. Ill bet you my next weeks paycheck that if you go look in his freezer you'll find it full of venison. He eats what he kills.

    "Many good people have lost their lives, dying for the lies of the Bush administration. I was opposed to sending them to die in the first place, something you supported. They are dying for no good reason, just like in Vietnam. Ties to terrorism...ties to 9/11...weapons of mass destruction...all lies. And now, even the president and his republican warmongering buddies are using cheap, readily available gasoline as a reason for soldiers to continue to be killed and maimed.
    Yeah...I'm the lunitic, all right."

    So the nearly 3000 people killed on 9/11 because of Clinton has no effect on you?? Remember Bush didnt have Bin Laden on a silver platter like Clinton did. If it werent for Clinton, this war may not have happened.....But im sure that slipped your mind didnt it? You havent a clue what you are talking about.....The lunacy goes on
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    Actually German U-Boats attacked US Flagged merchant vessels in the terrioritoal waters of the United States and the North Atlantic before a decleration of war.
    Such as the Rueben James....

    Which was Torpedo'ed near Iceland.... which is a long way away from the US.

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    n September 16, 1941, American ships, including flush deck destroyers, began escorting convoys headed for England. This was a period in time when the United States was supposed to be a neutral power. In defiance of international law, the U.S. was supporting the British in what was known as Roosevelt's undeclared war. When American ships came to a U.S. port, the crew was not allowed ashore. When ship's boat crews went ashore for fresh provisions and mail, they were strictly monitored to prevent any revelation of what they were doing
    The American ships escorted the convoys through the western Atlantic "Neutrality Zone" as far as Iceland. Royal Navy Town class destroyers escorted the convoy through the eastern Atlantic to England. A ship's silhouette, seen through a U-Boat periscope in the rough seas of the North Atlantic, gave no indication as to the destroyer's nationality. On September 4, the U.S.S. Greer was sailing independently toward Iceland. British patrol planes spotted a U-Boat, U-652. They contacted the Greer, not knowing if she would assist or not. The planes directed Greer to the U-Boat. Greer dropped several depth charges and the U-Boat fired torpedoes, both without result.
    On October 30, Reuben James dropped two depth charges, one from each rack, on a possible submarine contact

    first hand account, by TM3 Howard, states that there was no U-Boat alert on October 31. In fact, Reuben James was not at general quarters. If they had been, many more lives might have been saved.


    Without warning, at 0525, Reuben James was torpedoed by German submarine U-552. The torpedo struck the port side, in the forward fire room. Almost immediately, the forward magazine exploded, splitting the ship in half forward of the number four stack
    The escorts were ordered to start zigzagging to minimize the risk of being torpedoed. Other accounts state that Reuben James purposely positioned herself between an ammunition ship and the submarine. It is possible, they believed the Germans would not attack an American warship.
    the Germans issued a statement which read: "Anybody walking along the railroad track at night should not be surprised if he gets run over by an express train."
    But, thats one of those who fired first?


    The US Navy has a history of coverups... such as the Lusitania carrying ammunition in the first world war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    Uncle Ted dosent kill for fun, he kills for food and the joys of being in the great outdoors. Ill bet you my next weeks paycheck that if you go look in his freezer you'll find it full of venison. He eats what he kills.
    Baaaaloney. If the only source of available food were hunting, this might be a valid point. I doubt that is the case with Nugent. If it is, he can come out my way. We have plenty of grocery stores.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    So the nearly 3000 people killed on 9/11 because of Clinton has no effect on you?? Remember Bush didnt have Bin Laden on a silver platter like Clinton did. If it werent for Clinton, this war may not have happened.....But im sure that slipped your mind didnt it? You havent a clue what you are talking about.....
    It never takes long for someone to blame Clinton for 9/11. The 9/11 Commission detailed there was never any legitimate offer for the Clinton administration to have Bin Laden delivered on a "silver platter." In fact, just the opposite. Here's a story I downloaded off the net waaay back in Feb 2001.

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    The Taliban authorities will consider sending Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born terrorist behind the World Trade Center bombing, to a third country if the West will recognize them as Afghanistan's legitimate government.

    "We hope the new American administration will be more flexible and engage with us," said Abdul Wakil Muttawakil, the Taliban foreign minister, as new UN sanctions begin to squeeze the hardline group.

    Mr. Muttawakil has written to President George W. Bush saying his administration is prepared to resolve the Bin Laden issue through negotiations.

    General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's military ruler, said the suggestion of sending Bin Laden abroad appeared workable. He added it was not clear which country might provide sanctuary to the world's most wanted terrorist but Yemen had been mentioned.Pakistan is the closest ally of the conservative administration.
    This is especially germane considering that Iraq didn't attack the US on 9/11. Or are you now one of those believes differently?

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    The lunacy goes on
    When I read statements like yours, I couldn't agree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    Such as the Rueben James....

    Which was Torpedo'ed near Iceland.... which is a long way away from the US.

    http://reuben-james.net/


    But, thats one of those who fired first?


    The US Navy has a history of coverups... such as the Lusitania carrying ammunition in the first world war
    Note 1- I said US Flagged Merchant Vessels. Still US owned ships

    Two- I did say Merchant Marine.

    10/09/39 SS City of Flint Hog Island freighter Capture by pocket battleship Deutchland Released NAtlantic None

    http://www.usmm.org/casualty.html

    Similar events on US flagged vessels led to the War of 1812. You know that little old forgetting war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Baaaaloney. If the only source of available food were hunting, this might be a valid point. I doubt that is the case with Nugent. If it is, he can come out my way. We have plenty of grocery stores.


    It never takes long for someone to blame Clinton for 9/11. The 9/11 Commission detailed there was never any legitimate offer for the Clinton administration to have Bin Laden delivered on a "silver platter." In fact, just the opposite. Here's a story I downloaded off the net waaay back in Feb 2001.



    This is especially germane considering that Iraq didn't attack the US on 9/11. Or are you now one of those believes differently?


    When I read statements like yours, I couldn't agree more.
    The article you post is from 2/5/2001, Nearly 7 months before the 9-11-2001 event you refer to. There is nothing that connects Bin Laden to the bombing in 1993. I must severly question the integrity of the data and information that you post. There goes that toilet spinning to the left again.

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    "Baaaaloney. If the only source of available food were hunting, this might be a valid point. I doubt that is the case with Nugent. If it is, he can come out my way. We have plenty of grocery stores"

    I never said it was the only source of food available. Has it ever occured to you that maybe he likes the taste and health that wild game offers?? You cant buy wild game in a grocery store.Hunting is a way of life that has been around for thousands of years. Let go of the tree and get over it.

    Here is just one article of 785,000 google returned on this subject. I know it makes no difference to a looney liberal like you but you are blind if you think Clinton had nothing to do with it. He did nothing to protect the nation in his 8 years except drop a couple bombs on Afganistan and Sudan to take the eye off of him banging his intern in the oval office. He ignored the first WTC attack, the USS Cole, and several US Embassies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    "Baaaaloney. If the only source of available food were hunting, this might be a valid point. I doubt that is the case with Nugent. If it is, he can come out my way. We have plenty of grocery stores"

    I never said it was the only source of food available. Has it ever occured to you that maybe he likes the taste and health that wild game offers?? You cant buy wild game in a grocery store.Hunting is a way of life that has been around for thousands of years. Let go of the tree and get over it.

    Here is just one article of 785,000 google returned on this subject. I know it makes no difference to a looney liberal like you but you are blind if you think Clinton had nothing to do with it. He did nothing to protect the nation in his 8 years except drop a couple bombs on Afganistan and Sudan to take the eye off of him banging his intern in the oval office. He ignored the first WTC attack, the USS Cole, and several US Embassies.
    You left out 8 months of bombing in Yugoslavia for nothing as well as blowing up an empty aspirin factory.

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    I'm as much of an advocate for her as I am for any soldier put in this situation for no real reason.
    Except for when she was "whoring herself out"? That's a statement of advocacy, I guess.
    Thinning herds? Hell, if Rambos like you hadn't killed all the natural predators, you wouldn't have to worry about "thinning" the herds. Nature has been taking care of itself long before the Winchester rifle was invented.
    Well now, nothing a good 'ole generalization, eh? Aren't you the one who never wants to be generalized?
    Sure, nature has been taking care of itself, but there is still an overpopulation of deer, there is CWD, and the list goes on.
    I work with plenty of hunters who are in nature for the love of it, and they eat all that they kill; as all legit hunters do. They are very concerned with conservation. In fact, if the liberals didn't keep wanting to take the right to bear arms away, many of them would vote democrat. Many of them have more in common with the 'tree huggers' than you might ever guess.

    But go ahead, keep on generalizing.

    I do like how you call me a 'Rambo', nice assumption. What do you really know about me? Do you know how many firearms I own? Do you know how many times a year I hunt?

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