09-02-2007, 06:16 PM #101
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09-02-2007, 06:45 PM #102Buck
09-02-2007, 07:07 PM #103
09-02-2007, 07:13 PM #104
If you get your jollies killing something that is no threat to you for sport, I could argue that is what's wrong with America. But I won't. I'll just laugh instead.Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."
09-02-2007, 07:16 PM #105Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."
09-02-2007, 07:17 PM #106
09-02-2007, 08:27 PM #107
Thats 'cuz i am.....
09-02-2007, 08:40 PM #108
09-02-2007, 10:00 PM #109
09-02-2007, 10:18 PM #110Note 1- I said US Flagged Merchant Vessels. Still US owned ships
Two- I did say Merchant Marine.
10/09/39 SS City of Flint Hog Island freighter Capture by pocket battleship Deutchland Released NAtlantic None
The Merchant Marine fleet had the highest loss rate of any branch during the war yet they get no recognition
On October 9, 1939, City of Flint was carrying 4000 tons of lubricating oil from New York to Britain while marked as a neutral ship. The pocket battleship Deutschland seized her some 1200 miles out from New York, declaring her cargo to be contraband and the ship a prize of war.Even more importantly, the United States, although neutral, began to behave in a most un-neutral fashion.
From May 1941 the US Navy became a British ally in the struggle in the Atlantic. By taking over escort duties in the western Atlantic, it became involved in a shooting war with Germany, and on Halloween 1941, the inevitable happened. While escorting a British convoy, an American warship, the destroyer Reuben James, was torpedoed and sunk by the submarine U-562.
I dont have the time to research the Contraband laws during World War 2 but
Declaration of London, drafted at the London Naval Conference of 1908-1909 and made partly effective by most of the European maritime nations at the outbreak of World War I, established comprehensive classifications of absolute and conditional contraband. As the war developed, the lists of articles in each category were constantly revised by the various belligerents, despite protests by neutral powers engaged in the carrying trade. By 1916 the list of conditional contraband included practically all waterborne cargo
09-02-2007, 10:21 PM #111
Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."
09-02-2007, 10:43 PM #112
I do hunt with a bow....I also hunt with noe of my several guns I own for enjoyment and personal protection. Another point you should research.....Lean meat is very low in cholesterol. Venison is very lean. Even if you rarely eat red meat you are still a hypocrite. Your wrong about nothing dying in your hobbies.....A little bit of your pride dies everytime you pull on your tutu. I never said you wanted hunting banned. I said you dont have a clue what you are talking about......My point still stands. I dont argue about things I dont have a clue about......You shouldnt either.Buck
09-02-2007, 11:12 PM #113
09-02-2007, 11:51 PM #114
So now you have a problem with that?? Of course why wouldnt you since you are a hypocrite....You have attacked every person who has schooled you in your lame attemt to debate them. Neiowa, Coldfront, Hot Trotter....I can go on if you wish but they have all schooled you in your pathetic attemt to debate without research and then you personally attacked themBuck
09-03-2007, 01:53 AM #115
I'm not gonna sit here and try to attack anyone. I just wanted to point out a few facts about Hunting...
First off.... if there was enough food for everyone and it was affordable.... then yes, a lot of people would not hunt. Granted though, most do it for sport. But, its wildlife managment. Anyone who states that there is no need for hunting has not seen:
A: What happens when deer starve due to drought or lack of food or
B: When there is an overabundence of deer. I probably butchered that word.
Each year in Texas, the government has a quota of deer each large ranch or area has to take. If that quota is not taken, either A: The deer starve or B: The cattle starve which would thus drive up beef prices and such.
Anyone who has seen a deer starving due to a lack of food would therefore state that hunting is proper for wildlife managment. There was a town several years ago in Ohio I believe that banned hunting due to the "cruelty to animals." After several years, there was such an overabundance of deer there were getting hit by cars, raiding gardens and causing such trouble that they has to hire exterminators to come in and slaughter hundreds of deer. So, rather than have hunters come in and harvest the food, they slaughter them and leave them to rot. I heard that on the radio but I cant quote the source or year.
Plus, this site is a good one to read. http://www.tacaa.org/hunters.htm
Hunters for the Hungry has donated and distributed nearly 1.5 million pounds, or 6 million servings, of wild game to Texans in need.
But they don't suffer they way animals suffer when they're shot. With a gun or a bow.
Its the ones who just wound them because A: They cant control their excitement and B: Cant control their aim.
Course, watching the cow and chicken slaughter houses... some of them will make you think that hunters arent even close to being cruel.
Now, the thing with Ted Nugent is a little different in my opinon.
I Hunt when its hunting season. I do not hunt just for the kill. I dont not hunt just for the trophy although it is nice. I hunt so I can get good lean deer meat to feed myself for a while.
Ted Nugent.... hunts just to hunt. He hunts game ranches that are nothing more than putting animals in a large fenced in area and like shooting fish in a barrel although its a little harder than that. He hunts for the trophy's but he does eat a lot of the meat too. I can see why people like PETA have a hard time handling him. He is one the outside of his side of the spectrum and PETA is on the outside of theirs.
But, PETA can stfu about their animal rights BS. This article is funny but its also got some damn good points, thank you very much Mr Maddox.http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill? At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day. Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck? If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.
09-03-2007, 11:18 AM #116
09-03-2007, 11:19 AM #117
09-03-2007, 11:36 AM #118
Wasn't that the point of this thread in the first place?
Look, I think some people on here are way off base with their opinions about hunters, and hunting in general. I have hunted, and many people with whom I work are avid hunters, both gun and bow.
I have the utmost of respect for them, and know the kind of people they are. The majority are staunch conservationists. Notice though, I didn't say conservative, I said conservationist. They are very concerned with pollution, along with many other environmental issues. In fact, take the gun aspect out of it and there isn't much difference between them and the 'tree-huggers'.
It is also a fact, here at least, that during gun season 80% of your body must be covered in blaze orange, not camouflage.
As such, I don't think anyone thinks they are on a secret commando mission. Sorry Sc, just some humor.
09-03-2007, 01:04 PM #119Buck
09-03-2007, 01:32 PM #120
As far as personal attacks. You may want to reread this thread and see who threw down first. Your treehugger line was just so precious.Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."
09-03-2007, 01:50 PM #121
ummmm the Hunting for Survival aspect is a valid point in places like Montana, Wyoming, and Alaska. Few towns, fewer people, and the bears eat you
09-03-2007, 02:36 PM #122
Im not hunting for survival....Im hunting for food. Yes, I could take the easy way out but I prefer to eat my venison over store bought crap.....Did I also telly you I butcher my own beef and hogs also?? They die the same way. I suppose thats wrong in your eyes also? Jasper hit the nail on the head with his tree-hugger statement. I do my best to protect the environment and wildlife so my kids and grandkids will have the great outdoors to enjoy. If you are truely against hunting you know nothing about it. You're right that I threw down first but I didnt cry about it when you did it to me. Seems you like to dish it out till it annoys you then complain when someone offends youBuck
09-03-2007, 03:39 PM #123
You only reinforce there is no reason to kill for sport. Which is what you're doing.
Hayseed. Just admit it. You have some type of inadequacy in your life and you compensate for it by inflicting violence on defenseless animals.
Last edited by scfire86; 09-03-2007 at 05:57 PM.Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."
09-03-2007, 07:36 PM #124
No, you cant seem to read....Im not killing for sport, im killing for food. Like I said, I butcher most all of my own meat. Whats the probelm with that?? I know where it comes from and how its handled that way. If I went out and killed, left them lay, and didnt eat them then you have a valid point. As it stands you have no point. I never once said you thought hunting should be banned but you are against it or we wouldnt be having this discussion. I am happy with my life and I have no inadequacies. Me and my family get along just great with life the way it is.Buck
09-03-2007, 09:49 PM #125Hayseed. Just admit it. You have some type of inadequacy in your life and you compensate for it by inflicting violence on defenseless animals.
Or ever played Deer avenger?
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