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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Exactly. It would be akin to slaughterhouse employees getting sick thrills by killing the animals in the most agonizing way, and feeling rapture as their blood spills.

    It's called getting sick thrills out of killing and death. It has absolutely nothing to do with need. Just because you eat something you kill doesn't make it right to enjoy doing it...especially not to the estatic point that the majority of hunters eschew during the almighty hunting season. I'm around guys like you all day, every day. They do not kill for food...and they do not kill for sake of "thinning the herd". They kill for the pure orgasmic barbaric rapture they feel in their ignorant minds. Then they cut the heads off their "conquests" and mount them on the wall at home so they can continue their warm feelings of accomplishment every time they look in the empty eyes of their various quarry.
    These animals did not die a natural death...they died so some redneck could fullfill their twisted egos. Hunting for jollies; there's just nothing natural about it in the least.
    So I guess you guys don't like fishing either. It has a little bit to do with getting back to your roots. Our ancestors got all of their food by raising it or going out and hunting for it or fishing for it. It's sort of like how come some people think camping is such fun? Why would anyone want to go out and sleep in a tent, take cold baths (no showers for real campers), and cook everything over an open fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Not at all. But you aren't going to compare the way animals are slaughtered in an abattoir versus being shot at long range with a huge technological advantage.

    At least not with a straight face.
    SO, tell me how you think these animals are slaughtered??? And, what Huge technological advantage I have when I bow hunt? The Camo thing has NOTHING to do with colors. It has to do with breaking up your silhouette and blending into your background. The points you argue prove you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about. You know nothing about hunting or living off the land. You go to the store, buy your 3 sqaure meals a day and let somone else do the work for you. "Ill take the glory of somone elses work".........You are whats wrong with america today. Hunting has been around for thousands of years and a couple of tree huggers arent going to change it from an internet forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    As far as I can find out Bin Laden has not been tied to the first WTC bombing.
    You should tell the author of the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    SO, tell me how you think these animals are slaughtered???
    I don't. But they don't suffer they way animals suffer when they're shot. With a gun or a bow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    And, what Huge technological advantage I have when I bow hunt?
    Were you born with a bow for one arm and arrows for another that grow back after you shoot them? If you don't believe a bow and arrow are technological advantages then you don't recognize what constitutes technology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    The Camo thing has NOTHING to do with colors. It has to do with breaking up your silhouette and blending into your background. The points you argue prove you have absolutley no idea what you are talking about.
    Yeah sure it does. That and you think you're some commando on a secret mission.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    You know nothing about hunting or living off the land. You go to the store, buy your 3 sqaure meals a day and let somone else do the work for you. "Ill take the glory of somone elses work".........
    Not hardly since I pay them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    You are whats wrong with america today. Hunting has been around for thousands of years and a couple of tree huggers arent going to change it from an internet forum
    Did I say I was opposed to hunting? Did I say I wanted hunting banned? Wrong on both counts. Try rereading my posts.

    If you get your jollies killing something that is no threat to you for sport, I could argue that is what's wrong with America. But I won't. I'll just laugh instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    So I guess you guys don't like fishing either. It has a little bit to do with getting back to your roots. Our ancestors got all of their food by raising it or going out and hunting for it or fishing for it.
    They did it for survival. We don't. Big diffence, not that I expect you to understand the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    It's sort of like how come some people think camping is such fun? Why would anyone want to go out and sleep in a tent, take cold baths (no showers for real campers), and cook everything over an open fire?
    Does anyone or anything get killed on purpose when people camp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Are you telling me you don't listen to the nut cases in Hollywood? Surely you must listen to the almighty Michael Moore who is smarter than anyone I know

    Sarcasm off...
    Oh good. I don't have to listen to conservative Hollywood types like Heston, Eastwood, Selleck, or Dennis Hopper either. All registered with the GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post


    Yeah sure it does. That and you think you're some commando on a secret mission.

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    Thats 'cuz i am.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post

    Thats 'cuz i am.....
    I'm gonna get that wascally wabbit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I don't. But they don't suffer they way animals suffer when they're shot. With a gun or a bow.
    Again no idea what you are talking about. You think they just die naturally when they hit the slaughter floor?? Well let me enlighten you. They get run up a long alley with closed sides on it then they get shot in the head with a bolt about 3/8" in diameter and 3" long. Still think they dont suffer?? Same thing my bullet does.


    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Were you born with a bow for one arm and arrows for another that grow back after you shoot them? If you don't believe a bow and arrow are technological advantages then you don't recognize what constitutes technology.
    How exactly do you think your ancestors survived hundreds of years ago? Im sure they went to the local grocery store and bought their meat huh??


    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Yeah sure it does. That and you think you're some commando on a secret mission.
    Research would be benificial to you in a debate in which you havent a clue what you are talking about. Camo has nothing to do with color. You could use any color you want to as long as it breaks up your outline


    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Not hardly since I pay them.
    And your hands are still clean. But you do enjoy that T-bone dont you


    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Did I say I was opposed to hunting? Did I say I wanted hunting banned? Wrong on both counts. Try rereading my posts.
    Then quit whining about my hobbies. I enjoy it just as you enjoy your favorite hobbies. I could care less if you like ballet and crochet but I dont criticize you for it

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    If you get your jollies killing something that is no threat to you for sport, I could argue that is what's wrong with America. But I won't. I'll just laugh instead.
    You cant argue that point because its been around since the begining of time. You seriously need to do some research on hunting. The impression the liberal media has left in your mind is dead wrong. There is alot more it than grabbing a gun and shooting the first thing that moves
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    Note 1- I said US Flagged Merchant Vessels. Still US owned ships

    Two- I did say Merchant Marine.

    10/09/39 SS City of Flint Hog Island freighter Capture by pocket battleship Deutchland Released NAtlantic None

    The Merchant Marine fleet had the highest loss rate of any branch during the war yet they get no recognition

    http://www.uboataces.com/boa-america.shtml

    On October 9, 1939, City of Flint was carrying 4000 tons of lubricating oil from New York to Britain while marked as a neutral ship. The pocket battleship Deutschland seized her some 1200 miles out from New York, declaring her cargo to be contraband and the ship a prize of war.
    Even more importantly, the United States, although neutral, began to behave in a most un-neutral fashion.

    From May 1941 the US Navy became a British ally in the struggle in the Atlantic. By taking over escort duties in the western Atlantic, it became involved in a shooting war with Germany, and on Halloween 1941, the inevitable happened. While escorting a British convoy, an American warship, the destroyer Reuben James, was torpedoed and sunk by the submarine U-562.

    I dont have the time to research the Contraband laws during World War 2 but


    Declaration of London, drafted at the London Naval Conference of 1908-1909 and made partly effective by most of the European maritime nations at the outbreak of World War I, established comprehensive classifications of absolute and conditional contraband. As the war developed, the lists of articles in each category were constantly revised by the various belligerents, despite protests by neutral powers engaged in the carrying trade. By 1916 the list of conditional contraband included practically all waterborne cargo
    So, that would make the cargo of the US listed ship carrying contraband bound for Great Britain. Yeah... thats gonna fly real good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    Again no idea what you are talking about. You think they just die naturally when they hit the slaughter floor?? Well let me enlighten you. They get run up a long alley with closed sides on it then they get shot in the head with a bolt about 3/8" in diameter and 3" long. Still think they dont suffer?? Same thing my bullet does.
    Interesting. Earlier you said you hunted with a bow and arrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    How exactly do you think your ancestors survived hundreds of years ago? Im sure they went to the local grocery store and bought their meat huh??
    They're survival depended on it. Yours doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    Research would be benificial to you in a debate in which you havent a clue what you are talking about. Camo has nothing to do with color. You could use any color you want to as long as it breaks up your outline
    So what. Killing an unarmed animal for sport is still a cowardly act no matter what you are wearing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    And your hands are still clean. But you do enjoy that T-bone dont you
    Actually no. I rarely eat red meat. Bad for the cholesterol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    Then quit whining about my hobbies. I enjoy it just as you enjoy your favorite hobbies. I could care less if you like ballet and crochet but I dont criticize you for it
    Nothing dies in my hobbies. Though I did enjoy your stereotypes on what you think I might like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    You cant argue that point because its been around since the begining of time. You seriously need to do some research on hunting. The impression the liberal media has left in your mind is dead wrong. There is alot more it than grabbing a gun and shooting the first thing that moves
    I never said it wasn't. Tell me where I advocated banning hunting. I haven't. You just don't like someone telling you, you're rationalizing a cowardly act.
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    I do hunt with a bow....I also hunt with noe of my several guns I own for enjoyment and personal protection. Another point you should research.....Lean meat is very low in cholesterol. Venison is very lean. Even if you rarely eat red meat you are still a hypocrite. Your wrong about nothing dying in your hobbies.....A little bit of your pride dies everytime you pull on your tutu. I never said you wanted hunting banned. I said you dont have a clue what you are talking about......My point still stands. I dont argue about things I dont have a clue about......You shouldnt either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    I do hunt with a bow....I also hunt with noe of my several guns I own for enjoyment and personal protection. Another point you should research.....Lean meat is very low in cholesterol. Venison is very lean. Even if you rarely eat red meat you are still a hypocrite. Your wrong about nothing dying in your hobbies.....A little bit of your pride dies everytime you pull on your tutu. I never said you wanted hunting banned. I said you dont have a clue what you are talking about......My point still stands. I dont argue about things I dont have a clue about......You shouldnt either.
    Oh lookie everyone. Cornfed Buck is making a lame attempt at a personal attack.
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    So now you have a problem with that?? Of course why wouldnt you since you are a hypocrite....You have attacked every person who has schooled you in your lame attemt to debate them. Neiowa, Coldfront, Hot Trotter....I can go on if you wish but they have all schooled you in your pathetic attemt to debate without research and then you personally attacked them
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    I'm not gonna sit here and try to attack anyone. I just wanted to point out a few facts about Hunting...


    First off.... if there was enough food for everyone and it was affordable.... then yes, a lot of people would not hunt. Granted though, most do it for sport. But, its wildlife managment. Anyone who states that there is no need for hunting has not seen:
    A: What happens when deer starve due to drought or lack of food or
    B: When there is an overabundence of deer. I probably butchered that word.

    Each year in Texas, the government has a quota of deer each large ranch or area has to take. If that quota is not taken, either A: The deer starve or B: The cattle starve which would thus drive up beef prices and such.

    Anyone who has seen a deer starving due to a lack of food would therefore state that hunting is proper for wildlife managment. There was a town several years ago in Ohio I believe that banned hunting due to the "cruelty to animals." After several years, there was such an overabundance of deer there were getting hit by cars, raiding gardens and causing such trouble that they has to hire exterminators to come in and slaughter hundreds of deer. So, rather than have hunters come in and harvest the food, they slaughter them and leave them to rot. I heard that on the radio but I cant quote the source or year.

    Plus, this site is a good one to read. http://www.tacaa.org/hunters.htm

    Hunters for the Hungry has donated and distributed nearly 1.5 million pounds, or 6 million servings, of wild game to Texans in need.
    So, another good example of what hunters can provide.

    But they don't suffer they way animals suffer when they're shot. With a gun or a bow.
    Ehhhh.... I dont hunt with a bow because I dont like the fact that they run off a lot... but the gun comment, I will have to stand up for that one. Anyone who can shoot worth a damn can drop a deer, be it 100 yards or 400 yards with one shot and have it drop right there, dead as can be. No suffering, nothing...

    Its the ones who just wound them because A: They cant control their excitement and B: Cant control their aim.

    Course, watching the cow and chicken slaughter houses... some of them will make you think that hunters arent even close to being cruel.

    Now, the thing with Ted Nugent is a little different in my opinon.

    I Hunt when its hunting season. I do not hunt just for the kill. I dont not hunt just for the trophy although it is nice. I hunt so I can get good lean deer meat to feed myself for a while.

    Ted Nugent.... hunts just to hunt. He hunts game ranches that are nothing more than putting animals in a large fenced in area and like shooting fish in a barrel although its a little harder than that. He hunts for the trophy's but he does eat a lot of the meat too. I can see why people like PETA have a hard time handling him. He is one the outside of his side of the spectrum and PETA is on the outside of theirs.

    But, PETA can stfu about their animal rights BS. This article is funny but its also got some damn good points, thank you very much Mr Maddox.http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

    not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill? At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day. Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck? If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    So now you have a problem with that?? Of course why wouldnt you since you are a hypocrite....You have attacked every person who has schooled you in your lame attemt to debate them. Neiowa, Coldfront, Hot Trotter....I can go on if you wish but they have all schooled you in your pathetic attemt to debate without research and then you personally attacked them
    Check your home for fume leaks. None of those folks have schooled me in anything.

    You still can't justify killing for sport and you know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    Ted Nugent.... hunts just to hunt. He hunts game ranches that are nothing more than putting animals in a large fenced in area and like shooting fish in a barrel although its a little harder than that. He hunts for the trophy's but he does eat a lot of the meat too. I can see why people like PETA have a hard time handling him. He is one the outside of his side of the spectrum and PETA is on the outside of theirs.
    Thank you. Nugent is a crackpot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Thank you. Nugent is a crackpot.

    Wasn't that the point of this thread in the first place?

    Look, I think some people on here are way off base with their opinions about hunters, and hunting in general. I have hunted, and many people with whom I work are avid hunters, both gun and bow.
    I have the utmost of respect for them, and know the kind of people they are. The majority are staunch conservationists. Notice though, I didn't say conservative, I said conservationist. They are very concerned with pollution, along with many other environmental issues. In fact, take the gun aspect out of it and there isn't much difference between them and the 'tree-huggers'.
    It is also a fact, here at least, that during gun season 80% of your body must be covered in blaze orange, not camouflage.
    As such, I don't think anyone thinks they are on a secret commando mission. Sorry Sc, just some humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Check your home for fume leaks. None of those folks have schooled me in anything.

    You still can't justify killing for sport and you know it.
    Where did I say I hunt for sport?? I eat or donate everything I kill. Why do you suppose your car insurance rates are so high?? Alot can be contributed to the thousands of car/deer collisions each year and hundreds of fatalities they cause. Your points on this subject are null and void as you dont have any information, besides personal opinion, to back it up. Actually they schooled you enough for you to turn to personal attacks on them just as you did on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    Where did I say I hunt for sport?? I eat or donate everything I kill. Why do you suppose your car insurance rates are so high?? Alot can be contributed to the thousands of car/deer collisions each year and hundreds of fatalities they cause. Your points on this subject are null and void as you dont have any information, besides personal opinion, to back it up. Actually they schooled you enough for you to turn to personal attacks on them just as you did on me.
    Hey BuckBoy. You aren't hunting for survival, or the survival of others. I doubt the causes where you donate your kills would starve if you didn't donate. As far as collisions killing wildlife. So what again? Your rationalization for killing for sport is car collisions? You continue to impress me with your feeble justifications. While you claim some type of factual reasons, we both know they're a stretch. If you didn't kill these animals, no one would be affected.

    As far as personal attacks. You may want to reread this thread and see who threw down first. Your treehugger line was just so precious.
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    ummmm the Hunting for Survival aspect is a valid point in places like Montana, Wyoming, and Alaska. Few towns, fewer people, and the bears eat you

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    Im not hunting for survival....Im hunting for food. Yes, I could take the easy way out but I prefer to eat my venison over store bought crap.....Did I also telly you I butcher my own beef and hogs also?? They die the same way. I suppose thats wrong in your eyes also? Jasper hit the nail on the head with his tree-hugger statement. I do my best to protect the environment and wildlife so my kids and grandkids will have the great outdoors to enjoy. If you are truely against hunting you know nothing about it. You're right that I threw down first but I didnt cry about it when you did it to me. Seems you like to dish it out till it annoys you then complain when someone offends you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frmboybuck View Post
    Im not hunting for survival....Im hunting for food. Yes, I could take the easy way out but I prefer to eat my venison over store bought crap.....Did I also telly you I butcher my own beef and hogs also?? They die the same way. I suppose thats wrong in your eyes also? Jasper hit the nail on the head with his tree-hugger statement. I do my best to protect the environment and wildlife so my kids and grandkids will have the great outdoors to enjoy. If you are truely against hunting you know nothing about it. You're right that I threw down first but I didnt cry about it when you did it to me. Seems you like to dish it out till it annoys you then complain when someone offends you
    Hayseed. Where have I said that hunting should be banned or outlawed? I continue to like your rationalizations.

    You only reinforce there is no reason to kill for sport. Which is what you're doing.

    Hayseed. Just admit it. You have some type of inadequacy in your life and you compensate for it by inflicting violence on defenseless animals.
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    No, you cant seem to read....Im not killing for sport, im killing for food. Like I said, I butcher most all of my own meat. Whats the probelm with that?? I know where it comes from and how its handled that way. If I went out and killed, left them lay, and didnt eat them then you have a valid point. As it stands you have no point. I never once said you thought hunting should be banned but you are against it or we wouldnt be having this discussion. I am happy with my life and I have no inadequacies. Me and my family get along just great with life the way it is.
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    Hayseed. Just admit it. You have some type of inadequacy in your life and you compensate for it by inflicting violence on defenseless animals.
    Havent you seen that video where the deer attacked that man?

    Or ever played Deer avenger?

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