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    http://www.wect.com/global/story.asp?s=7000562

    Don't do what this kid did. quite rediculous. i don't know if i'll be trusting juniors right now. that's gonna leave a big black eye against y'all
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    That kid is a moron but to hold this event against all juniors is retarded. There are more FF arsonists than there are junior arsonist.

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    First of all Almighty Smoke Eater,

    Holding it against all juniors is rather pointless, and this is only giving you an excuse to discriminate against the ones that want to be "on the job" for the right reason.

    Look at how many firefighter arsonists are in existence. There have been many more reports of adults doing this then juniors. Does this mean you "watch out" for all the other firefighters too? If this leaves one black eye for us, can't forget about the black eyes the "adults" have given the fire service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeater1310 View Post
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    Don't do what this kid did. quite rediculous. i don't know if i'll be trusting juniors right now. that's gonna leave a big black eye against y'all
    Okay first of all, it is ridiculous.

    Secondly, your post is frankly idiotic and discriminatory. Why would this be a black eye against ALL juniors? I mean this is one kid who screwed up and went over the line. It is no more a black eye to all juniors than when one volly firefighter or career firefighter sets a fire. It is that individual and if you judge all by the actions of one you are completely narrow minded and prejudice.

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    Well ok juniors outside of my county are safe but after this I think a lot of departments may scale back their junior program. Second of half the people on this board seem to trash juniors as it is. I'm just stating the simple facts man a lot of the arson reports I've read lately seem to be junior who want to just get on the engine and ride in it while hearing the siren. Yes it is a black eye to all of us but juniors are going to have it rough for a good long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeater1310 View Post
    Well ok juniors outside of my county are safe but after this I think a lot of departments may scale back their junior program. Second of half the people on this board seem to trash juniors as it is. I'm just stating the simple facts man a lot of the arson reports I've read lately seem to be junior who want to just get on the engine and ride in it while hearing the siren. Yes it is a black eye to all of us but juniors are going to have it rough for a good long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokeater1310 View Post
    Well ok juniors outside of my county are safe but after this I think a lot of departments may scale back their junior program. Second of half the people on this board seem to trash juniors as it is. I'm just stating the simple facts man a lot of the arson reports I've read lately seem to be junior who want to just get on the engine and ride in it while hearing the siren. Yes it is a black eye to all of us but juniors are going to have it rough for a good long time.
    What a bunch of BS...

    Tell me, exactly what effect did the last arson fire set by a firefighter have on YOUR FD. Well, assuming of course that none of your firefighters actually set it. I can tell you the effect it had on mine. NaDa, nothing, zero, zilch, not a damn repercussion at all. Why? Because it wasn't US. The only time incidents like this should affect you is if it is your people. Of course on occasion you will have narrow minded people who finger point at all firefighters if one does something bad but certainly they are a minority.

    Look, you made a bad post, and now you are trying to save face. You were clearly wrong.

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    I am starting a big strike against firefighters now, because they set some fires too. Nobody likes that it happens but its no ones fault but that individual jr. Unfortunitly(sp?) this idiot may have ruined the program for that department.


    I also don't see half the people on this forum bashing jrs.


    This may be one of the stupidest threads I have read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacklrd View Post
    I am starting a big strike against firefighters now, because they set some fires too. Nobody likes that it happens but its no ones fault but that individual jr. Unfortunitly(sp?) this idiot may have ruined the program for that department.


    I also don't see half the people on this forum bashing jrs.


    This may be one of the stupidest threads I have read.
    I'm on strike too.

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    First of all Almighty Smoke Eater,
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    I love pointless threads... trolls are cool too.

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    This is a black eye in much the same way we get a black eye anytime a FF commits arson. Then again, we seem to get a black eye anytime a FF does something illegal. There was recently a volunteer around nabbed in a sex sting. Of course that info made it into the headlines, not that it had anything to do with the crime.

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    I love pointless threads... trolls are cool too.

    What the heck... I'm in for the strike too.

    I'm on strike too. Give me the placard and slogans! Give me.. uh.. what are we striking about again? Ohh look.. something shiny!
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    Every department has some bad apples. Eventually, it happens in every department, there is someone who just cannot follow the rules. My department had a junior who thought it would be cool to steal some 800's (radios) and show them off to his friends. He is no longer a member and has been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    You cannot judge an entire group of people by the actions of a small percentage of that group. Not only is it totally inaccurate to do so, it just shows how stupid you truly are.


    On a side note, Delaware recently passed legislation to bar convicted felons from serving as firefighters. Some crimes (such as arson and serious felonies) lead to lifelong bans, others (such as misdemeanors) lead to bans of a number of years. (not sure what crimes qualify as what, don't have the law in front of me.)
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    I'm glad chief officers didn't get a black eye and lose the trust of Explorers because an assistant chief got caught frollicking with a sheep a couple years ago.

    Perhaps it's because a lot of these explorers are more mature and wiser than you and realize that one person doesn't represent the entirity of a group? Why in God's name would anyone scale back their explorer programs because of one bad apple? That's ingnorance at it's finest.

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    Hold it against all because of the action of one? Absurd.

    Several years ago, my dept had an arsonist among us. We suspected him for quite a while but could never prove anything. Believe me, we tried like HELL to trip him up, but it was all suspicions without any proof. Long story short, he eventually f*&ked up and we caught him. He was convicted of felony arson and lost his job as a police officer, and he will never again be a firefighter in NYS because of this.

    My point of bringing this up? Did his actions make the rest of my dept a bunch of arsonists? Of course not. Did it reflect badly on us? I think we were down on ourselves a lot more than our citizens were. They supported us, and they were grateful that it was because of us and our due diligence with the investigation that he was convicted, rather than us jumping the gun and accusing him without proof. Had we done that, he might've left the dept voluntarily and continued his crimes elsewhere.

    I'm proud of my dept and the way we handled this unfortunate individual, and a few years later I can say that it's not a black eye on us, but rather a testament to the good character of the rest of us that we got the scumbag. I'm just thankful no one was hurt as a result of his actions.

    Before you're so quick to judge an entire group based on the actions of one individual, think long and hard about your own life and the mistakes you've made yourself. We all have skeletons in our closets. How would you feel if your family, friends and coworkers were judged because of YOUR actions? Probably not very good, especially since it's not particularly fair criticism.

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    I think the actions of this junior was idiotic to set a fire. Who knows, maybe he could have been trapped in the building and he already started the fire, so he is putting himself at risk and fire fighters as well. What is the world coming too?! thats all

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    first of all how could i hottrotter? I've been here since January of 06 but thinks of me as you may I'm glad the woo woo boy didn't do this when I was a junior so bash me as you may but i know this will hurt the junior programs in my county for a good long while. continue your bashing as I do not give a flying F$ck
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