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    We have Duo Safety ladders and I am considering proposing that we paint the tips of each one hi-Vis orange. The finish is very smooth and bright, and I am unsure how well paint would adhere. Any ideas?

    I know I spelled it wrong in the title, oh well.
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    We've done the same with ours, painted the tips and feet hi-vis yellow along with painting the length in black on top of the yellow paint for quick and easy identification. As long as you use paint designed for metal, it should adhere fine. Just prep the surface first by making sure it's clean. You'll probably have to touch them up once a year or so with normal usage.


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    How about using reflective tape ( like the DOT "candycane" tape) in lieu of paint? It would make the tips more visible when throwing a ladder up in a dark backyard, or if you had to bail off a roof in the dark/smoke...

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    You could also sprinkle some reflective glass beads in the paint like they use to paint traffic markings.

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    Paint them yellow or orange and add some white reflective tape for night ops..simple and cheap. Any spray paint for metal will adhere just fine as long as you clean the ladder well with a laquer thinner or some sort of prep material. you may want to think about a quick sandjob with some 200 grit or something to roughen up the surface if your having adhesion problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PureAdrenalin View Post
    Paint them yellow or orange and add some white reflective tape for night ops..simple and cheap. Any spray paint for metal will adhere just fine as long as you clean the ladder well with a laquer thinner or some sort of prep material. you may want to think about a quick sandjob with some 200 grit or something to roughen up the surface if your having adhesion problems.
    Thank God you said sandjob!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by malana1 View Post
    Thank God you said sandjob!!!
    Um...why would..uhhhh....you know what, yeah your right..we'll just leave it there.
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    Thanks for the info. on painting the ladders...never really thought about it until now. I will discuss this with the rest of the department and see what they think.

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    Check the NFPA standards regarding how many inches can be painted - our ladder testing company advised there is a limit (can't recall exactly what it is).
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    Check the NFPA standards regarding how many inches can be painted - our ladder testing company advised there is a limit
    Now that sounds like another incredibly usefull NFPA tidbit.
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    From NFPA 1932:

    6.2.4 Ground ladders shall not be painted except for the top and bottom 460 mm (18 in.) of each section for purposes of identification or visibility.

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    It would appear this number has been grabbed out of thin air by another committee with nothing better to do with their time but waste ours.

    What are the ramifications if you paint it to 18 1/2 inches and there is an accident?

    Even better, If you only paint the ladder to 12 inches are you breaking the NFPA rules?

    I be thinking it stands for

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    after reading this tripe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTFIRE80 View Post
    From NFPA 1932:

    6.2.4 Ground ladders shall not be painted except for the top and bottom 460 mm (18 in.) of each section for purposes of identification or visibility.
    I know I'll sleep better tonight knowing that. Everyone knows how important it is not to over-paint the ladder tips.


    And the sad thing is...somewhere, someone actually came up with that measurement. And I thought I needed a beer.

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    N not
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    A application

    and you know, some firefighter gets hurt trying to bail out a window on a ladder with 18.5" of painted beam, and the NFPA, NIST, OSHA, and every review will include this as a contributing factor........
    Does anybody know how many lawyers are required on an NFPA committee? I think I'm beginning to see a connection, but it may be cross threaded.

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    ...and here I always thought it stood for

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    Take your pick ladies and gentleman

    They can not even convert things properly.

    18 Inches = 457.2 mm

    460 mm = 18.11018 inches

    So you do have some tolerance to play with the painting.
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    Actually, there is a good reason for not painting a ladder. It will hide cracks and problems with the ladder. If you do paint them you should use a clear lacquer as well. You might also check the OSHA regs. Also check with the manufacturer as well.

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    Wow

    Some people know how to suck the fun right out of life.

    All we want to do here is slap a little paint on a fecking ladder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    Wow

    Some people know how to suck the fun right out of life.

    All we want to do here is slap a little paint on a fecking ladder.
    It's not about fun..It's about being safe and coming home after the fire. Every class I have ever had on ladder safety flat out said yo do not paint them. And with good reason.

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    How about stickers?

    You know like "We climb what you fear" or "get it up"
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    How about stickers?

    You know like "We climb what you fear" or "get it up"
    I love the "get it up" idea. Too bad truckies can't read.
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    Thanks for the info.

    If the Chief approves, we will paint all the tips. FYI we have every ladder tested annually by UL.

    Trotter, come on man. Can you honestly tell me that you use every single piece of fire equipment EXACTLY as it was manufactured and following the MFG instructions to the T? This is a coat of paint, not a dipping of Rhino lining. Where do we draw the line on being ridiculous about liability and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    It would appear this number has been grabbed out of thin air by another committee with nothing better to do with their time but waste ours.

    What are the ramifications if you paint it to 18 1/2 inches and there is an accident?

    Even better, If you only paint the ladder to 12 inches are you breaking the NFPA rules?

    I be thinking it stands for

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    after reading this tripe.
    I think the purpose of not painting the ladder is because paint hides faults.

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    I was just trying to live life way out there on the edge.

    You know, do the wild thing every now and then.

    My apologies, I will just settle down and be a good boy again.

    So we are only allowed to hide the faults and cracks for 460mm at either end?

    That makes a LOT of sense to me.

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    Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MG3610 View Post
    Thanks for the info.

    If the Chief approves, we will paint all the tips. FYI we have every ladder tested annually by UL.

    Trotter, come on man. Can you honestly tell me that you use every single piece of fire equipment EXACTLY as it was manufactured and following the MFG instructions to the T? This is a coat of paint, not a dipping of Rhino lining. Where do we draw the line on being ridiculous about liability and all that.
    I never use a screwdriver for a pry bar or a crescent wrench as a hammer - sort of I used to work at The Homeless Depot and that is where I first learned you don't paint ladders and why. This is especially true of wooden ladders, which doesn't really apply here. For the most part, I don't do things that I know will mess up the equipment. I've done a few things that I learned after the fact weren't a good idea. Like using cruise control in the rain and snow . Usually the result of doing something like that ends up not being so good. I do know that when inspecting ladders you need to look for cracking in the material, and it doesn't matte if it is wood, aluminum, or fiberglass. Best thing you could do is check with the company that test your ladders. Wouldn't it really suck to paint the ladders then have them all fail the annual inspection because of it?

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