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    Question Backround/Polygraph?

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    Default Have you EVER!!!

    Let's say for the sake of an argument you answer no to those questions. Then there is a background done on you and one of your so called friends inadvertenly says something about how you all partied and did ROOMS when you were younger. NEED I SAY MORE!!! You would be done and trying to figure out what just happened.
    We all did stupid things when we were younger and if you fail to mention it during your process then your done.
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    Default Clouded

    I smoked pot, did mushrooms a couple times and tried ecstasy my first year of college. Also during this time I stole allot of things without ever getting caught, there is no criminal record of my choices but only the personal conviction I now face when asked if I ever stole undetected goods or used drugs.

    but I cannot lie

    Extensive drug use does raise questions. If you admitted to experimenting with marijuana 200 times will certainly raise a red flag. Experimenting with cocaine or methamphetamine is much more serious.

    For some they are clouded and domed before they ever take their first step because of something in their past, job history, criminal record, credit, driving record or domestic violence. They still believe though that they have a shot. Then, they don't face it until it's staring them in the face at the next step in the hiring process.

    Too many candidates walk in flat-footed once they’re given a conditional job offer and are eliminated in the psych, poly and medical. These are unchartered waters where you need to be prepared in advance before you show up. These are experts who are being paid to take you out.

    Too often I receive calls from candidates who ask, “What do I do now” after they have spend time, money, education and put their lives on hold for years only to be taken out at one of the hiring stations. Sad. But these candidates have somehow convinced themselves betweeen the 4 inches of their ears that they have an explanation that will be accepted. And, firefighters will not shoot straight with them by telling them they really do have a chance.

    I've talked to a lot of candidates in various situation like yours that it will be difficult if not impossible to get hired even if they become medics. Their response? Well, I going to go try anyway. Sorry, I've never heard from any of them again. None.
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    Here is a copy of a department's background investigation form. I believe you will answer most of your questions as to what the department will look into.
    Read and answer the following questions carefully and honestly. Answers are subject to verification by a Polygraph Examination.

    Have you ever committed any of the following acts during your life whether it came to the attention of authorities or not?
    YES NO

    1. Spousal abuse (including common-law) 0 0

    2. Any violent assault upon another 0 0

    3. Forgery 0 0

    4. Homicide 0 0

    5. Robbery (theft from another person utilizing a weapon of force) 0 0

    6. Burglary 0 0

    7. Kidnapping 0 0

    8. Arson (intentionally set fire) 0 0

    9. Extortion (blackmail) 0 0

    10. Embezzlement (theft of money) 0 0

    11. Rape (sexual intercourse by force or against the wishes of another) 0 0

    12. Child Abuse 0 0

    13. Child Molestation (any sex act with a child) 0 0

    14. Prostitution (sexual acts for money or other considerations) 0 0

    15. Soliciting Prostitution (asking for sex in return for money or visa versa) 0 0

    16. Theft (including shoplifting) 0 0

    17. Convicted of a DUI or charge reduced to reckless driving 0 0

    18. Have you in the past or do you now regularly associate with persons
    whom you know to have engaged in and/or been arrested for unlawful
    possession or use of any illegal substance? 0 0

    19. Have you ever been arrested for an illegal sex act? 0 0

    20. Ever charged with a crime not mentioned above? 0 0



    EXPLAIN Explain all “Yes” answers to the above questions in the spaces below. List the question # and then describe the incident. Be thorough with your explanation, use dates where appropriate.

    ALL “YES” ANSWERS TO THE ABOVE QUESTIONS ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE.

    Employment
    YES NO
    21. Have you ever been terminated or asked to resign from employment? 0 0
    22. Have you ever taken any property from an employer? 0 0

    23. Have you in any way falsified your employment application or made
    any misleading statements? 0 0

    24. Have you ever made any false or misleading statements or omissions
    to any employer or potential employer? 0 0

    25. Have you committed any dishonest act in order to obtain this or any
    position (i.e. cheating on written exam, having another person take any exam, etc.) 0 0




    Explain “Yes” answers in detail below. List the question # and then thoroughly explain.

    Employment
    YES NO
    21. Have you ever been terminated or asked to resign from employment? 0 0
    22. Have you ever taken any property from an employer? 0 0

    23. Have you in any way falsified your employment application or made
    any misleading statements? 0 0

    24. Have you ever made any false or misleading statements or omissions
    to any employer or potential employer? 0 0

    25. Have you committed any dishonest act in order to obtain this or any
    position (i.e. cheating on written exam, having another person take any exam, etc.) 0 0




    Explain “Yes” answers in detail below. List the question # and then thoroughly explain.

    Financial
    YES NO
    26. Do you feel that you now have a good credit rating
    (If yes, no explanation necessary)? 0 0

    27. Do you have any bills that are now passed due? 0 0
    28. Have you filed for bankruptcy within the past two years? 0 0
    29. Have you ever failed to file an income tax return? 0 0
    30. Have you had a bill turned over to collections within the past two years?

    Explain all “Yes” answers to the above questions in the spaces below. List the question # and then describe the incident. Be thorough with your explanation, use dates where appropriate.

    General
    YES NO
    31. Did you answer all of the questions truthfully that were put to you
    during the oral interview? 0 0
    32. Are you presently driving without auto insurance or the DMV required
    Financial responsibility bond? 0 0
    33. Have you ever filed a fraudulent insurance claim? 0 0
    34. How many traffic citations have you received within the past five years? 0 0
    35. Have you ever taken a Polygraph Examination? 0 0
    When __________________ Where ______________________ Result ______________________
    36. Have you ever been present when someone else committed a criminal act? 0 0
    37. Have you ever purchased or sold any property that you believe might
    have been stolen? 0 0
    Explain all “Yes” answers to the above questions in the spaces below. List the question # and then describe the incident. Be thorough with your explanation, use dates where appropriate.
    Drugs/Narcotics
    YES NO
    38. Have you used marijuana? 0 0
    Last time: Month/Year _____________________ First time: Month/Year ______________________
    39. Have you ever misused a prescription drug? 0 0
    40. Within the past year, have you been in the presence of anyone
    using illegal drugs? 0 0
    41. Have you ever purchased, sold, or supplied any illegal narcotic,
    Steroid, marijuana, pill or drug? 0 0
    42. Have you ever been the middleman, go between, or “done a favor for a friend”
    By becoming involved in a drug transaction? 0 0
    43. Have you ever used or experimented with:
    Cocaine 0 0
    Heroin 0 0
    LSD (acid) 0 0
    PCP (angel dust) 0 0
    Mushroom, mescaline or any hallucinogen 0 0
    Hashish 0 0
    Crank, Methamphetamine 0 0
    Speed or Crystal Meth 0 0
    Uppers 0 0
    Downers or Barbiturates 0 0
    Steroids 0 0
    Ecstasy 0 0
    Any type of “designer” drugs 0 0
    Any other drug besides Marijuana 0 0

    If you answered “Yes” to any of the above drug usage questions, complete the section below:
    Drug First Time Last Time
    Drug First Time Last Time
    Drug First Time Last Time
    Drug First Time Last Time
    Drug First Time Last Time
    Drug First Time Last Time


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    B.C. Lepore,
    First off, thank you for the polygraph info, it certainly helps out me out. I wondered what questions were to be asked. As I do not worry about the criminal or drug portion, I worry more on the credit question. How much does credit standing play in the hiring process? I don't have awful credit, but yeah, I have had things go to collections that I have paid off plus any penalties. I am try my hardest to pay bills and am working on improving my credit so it is in "good" standing. I have no qualms admitting this to anyone, does it help?

    Thank you,

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    Your credit will be scrutinized they hard. It is important that you are able to live within your means. Being sent to collections demonstrates a lack of responsibility. The best thing you can do is to pay your bills on time and put as much distance between you and the collections as possible.You want to be able to say that while it may have been a problem in the past, you have corrected it.
    Good luck!
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    I would think it depeds on the department and what they feel is acceptable or not. I had to do a polygraph for a police force and passed it. I won't list the things I did when I was younger, because let's face it, I just don't have all day. I did a few things I am not proud of and did some drugs that I would lock my own kid up for doing if I ever caught her. They were impressed with my integrity, ability to overcome and honesty.

    IF YOU LIE ON THE POLYGRAPH, DO NOT EXPECT TO EVER BE CONSIDERED AGAIN.

    Consider it this way, lie and ruin all chance of ever being hired, tell the truth and take your chances. Many of us have done things in the past that we are not proud of and that we realize were poor choices (or, just plain stupid), I would hope you would be judged on who you are today and not by past wrongs. Best of luck!
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    Very well said Higby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwadler View Post
    This is exactly what I was looking for. The only other question I have is do they ever ask about whether or not you have seen child porn and do they allow you to explain yourself afterwards. I am afraid since I have been exposed during work once or twice that when I answer yes to a question like this then I am screwed. I never stolen anything and have a clean record so just wondering what to do.
    No offense, but how in the HECK could you ever get your self in a situation to be "exposed" to child porn??????

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    Default Ok

    Well if that were the situation - can't you just explain that in the poly (and probably the psych doc in another interview)???

    I don't see how that could be a problem.

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    That is what I was thinking would be the case but have never been through this part of the process

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCLepore View Post
    Your credit will be scrutinized they hard. It is important that you are able to live within your means. Being sent to collections demonstrates a lack of responsibility. The best thing you can do is to pay your bills on time and put as much distance between you and the collections as possible.You want to be able to say that while it may have been a problem in the past, you have corrected it.
    Good luck!
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    Ok, All this is very logical and feasible. I am 38 years old, went through a divorce, and quit a job to go to school for 2 years. My credit is not great. In your opinion, before I apply to a Dept. again, should I clean it up as much as possible? In 2 years, if I am careful, I could pay off all credit cards, and my vehicle, and some back taxes that I make monthly installments on. This would place me at 40 years old, competing with 20 year olds, but with much better credit on my record.

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    First of all, you are not competing with the 20 year olds you are competing with yourself. Apply NOW, as the testing process usually takes quite a while. The more you test the better you will understand the testing process.
    And yes, clean up your credit.....

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    Default Poly's

    I just had my poly last Thursday. The polygraphist asked all the questions that BC Lepore mentioned, however, I was not hooked up to the "box" yet. When I was hooked up to the "box", I was only asked 11 questions. The 11 questions I was asked were repeated 2 additional times (with a small break in between). My heart was pounding furiously, but I controlled my breathing, squirming around, and was totally focused on the spot the polygraphist told me to stare at. I passed, and this was my first experience with a poly.

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