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    Question to all part-time/volunteer FF's.

    I would like to know if you get a minimum amount of hours paid on each call?

    I really need your input.

    We are currently under negociation with the city and we currently get 2-hour minimum for each call. However, while speaking with our next-door neibor fire departments, we discovered that everybody else has 3 hours minimum.

    What are the standards in your counties, cities and countries?

    Looking forward hearing from you.

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    I haven't been a call FF in years, but the system we had was paid men M-F 0730 to 1630; call FFs required to man the stations M-F 1630-0730, and weekend shifts were 24 hrs 0730 to 0730, as were holidays. We had 4 rotating platoons. This ensured that all trucks were manned and responded immediately (until we lost too many FFs to other towns and had to go fully paid).

    The town was doing 5500 runs a year for 30,000 people in 5.5 sq miles, and 2/3 of the calls were during call FF hours. We were paid a stipend twice a year. The budget was $215,000 divided by the man-hours on the calendar. It worked out to something like $1000 a year or so. So the pay was the same regardless of how many calls you got.

    Nice thing was that unlike the neighboring town, which paid by the hour during calls, there was no incentive for people to light up brush fires to earn more money.

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    We don't get paid one thin dime, just a banquet at the end of the year

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    We get $12.50 per run under an hour. If it goes over an hour we get the $12.50 plus $7.50/hr. Like most vollies we're not in this for the money, but the mad money does help out each quarter.

    Do most of your runs go over an hour? Our's average around 30-45 min.

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    I'm a vollie in a mid-size department in Southern NJ. We are on an incentive system, something like 1 credit per hour we're on a call. At the end of the year, we can cash them in for classes our dept. wouldn't normally cover, department merchandise, or a check for cash in the amount of the credits.

    alot of the guys take the cash at the end of the year, never really adds up to over 3 or 4 hundred dollars, but its a nice thank-you from our town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    We don't get paid one thin dime, just a banquet at the end of the year
    LMAO...you get the same check too...All zeros! Signed by the Governor!...lol
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    Wow...I am really surprised by your response. Some don't even get paid! Ouch!

    The average around here is $18/hour, 3 hours minimum. In an 6000 city, we get approx. 140 calls/year. Most of the calls are smoke detector alarms, and yes, 45 minutes would sound right. Plus our training sessions are paid.

    We are not in it for the money either, you'll make 2k a year at the most. It is some kind of small reward, for the hours invested. It pays for the gas spent while going on a call/meetings, and it helps buy peace with the wife.

    Anyone else?

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    For us, eight dollars per call be it five minutes or ten hours. Nothing for training. We usually get given the money about four times a year, when someone remembers to add it up... it's a nice little surprise, good for a dinner out with the Sweetie or something like that.
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    When I decided to Volunteer, I didn't know we got paid "per run." I found out when I met with my Captain for the first time.

    As I understand how our combo department runs it...

    There is an allocated amount in the annual budget for the volunteers' response. That money is divided by the total number of responses, and then mutliplied by the number of responses you made. I think last year, our per response amount was around $2.60. So, if you made 100 responses you picked up $260.00 at the beginning of December.

    I usually just sign the check over to the missus to help with the Christmas shopping.

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    We use a points system for compensation.

    A fire of any type is 2 points. Weekly training is 2 points. All other calls are one point. The value of a point varies from year-to-year but it's usually around $3.00.

    The career guys earn unpaid points on runs while they are working. They earn paid points when responding off-hours as a volunteer. Volunteers also earn unpaid points only while working a day or releif shift.

    The money comes from the 2% rebate fire insurance check all Louisiana fire departments recieve from the insurance companies on premuims collected in thier district. The total number of points earned by the members of our FD is divided into that check, hence the value of a point.
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    I get $10 something an hour, up to the quarter of an hour. No minimum. I get paid 7 something per hour for training. 2,418 calls a year average.

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    So from what I can see from you guys in America (USA), we are paid way too much in Canada...

    Not that it does not worth it, when you think of the time invested, the risk and all..

    But tell me;

    As we have the same training (or almost) vs the full-time fireman, how do you justify the fact that they earn $45 000/year and you get zip? Yes they get to stay in their firehouse waiting, but the risk is still the same. And on the scene of a fire, you shouldn't see a difference between a full-time or part-time FF. See my point? I am not saying you should get $45 000 a year, but at least the same hourly rate as a full time FF's when on a call? Danger is the same.

    Yes we all have the same passion for being FF's, full-time FF's also have that same passion, but it doesn't justify working for free???

    I am maybe way off.

    Look, I do not want to start any fight of full-time vs part-time FF's. Just start a discussion and get everyone's thoughts...

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    We get a minimum of a 2 hours for all fire calls. EMS calls are however long they are, rounded to the nearest quarter hour. Everyone gets their own hourly wage based on training, longevity, and rank.

    A few years ago we argued that we get up for a fire alarm call, you just can't get back to sleep right afterward. Plus, any other city worker gets a two hour minimum call in time after hours. The City agreed. It is also just a little bit more motivation to get out of bed. Anything over 2 hours would be their hourly wage until completion.
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    Recently we did an exercise to see about doubling our rates to the community.

    2 x 0.00 = 0.00

    We feel so much better now.
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    $17 for fire alarm of any type. No minimum time and no maximum. So it's 17 bucks even if you are disregarded en route or stay on scene for 5 hours.

    Any medical alarm is $10, same rule about time.

    Training is $40 a month for four meeting, so $10 a meeting, usually around 10 hours a month.

    This is paid quarterly by check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacknewton View Post
    So from what I can see from you guys in America (USA), we are paid way too much in Canada...

    Not that it does not worth it, when you think of the time invested, the risk and all..

    But tell me;

    As we have the same training (or almost) vs the full-time fireman, how do you justify the fact that they earn $45 000/year and you get zip? Yes they get to stay in their firehouse waiting, but the risk is still the same. And on the scene of a fire, you shouldn't see a difference between a full-time or part-time FF. See my point? I am not saying you should get $45 000 a year, but at least the same hourly rate as a full time FF's when on a call? Danger is the same.

    Yes we all have the same passion for being FF's, full-time FF's also have that same passion, but it doesn't justify working for free???

    I am maybe way off.

    Look, I do not want to start any fight of full-time vs part-time FF's. Just start a discussion and get everyone's thoughts...

    Jack
    Jack, you really need to study up on the volunteer fire service. Yes, there are a LOT of places where volunteer firefighters do not receive a dime for their services. That's what "volunteer" means, doesn't it? You really did not know this?

    As far as being paid the same as the paid firemen on the scene....what paid firemen? There are none. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Not in my department nor in the five or six other departments surrounding me. We are not paid a penny, including myself, and I'm the chief.

    Realize that in many rural areas there is simply no tax base to support a paid, partial paid, or paid-on-call fire department. We are all volunteers, from the chief down to the secretary.

    Do we have the same level of training as the paid firefighters in other areas? Nope. I'll be the first to admit that. Kind of hard to expect people to take weeks off their jobs, unpaid, to go to training for a position in which they will still be unpaid. So we do the best with what we have and train people as best we can in-house, with occassional help from the nearest fire school (which is over an hour away in Baton Rouge).

    I'm used to this kind of question from the public who knows nothing of the fire service ("How much you guys get paid? You hiring?") but it still surprises me to get it coming from a firefighter.
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    A volunteer is someone who serves in a community or for the benefit of natural environment primarily because they choose to do so. Many serve through a non-profit organization sometimes referred to as formal volunteering, but a significant number also serve less formally, either individually or as part of a group. Because these informal volunteers are much harder to identify, they may not be included in research and statistics on volunteering.

    By definition, a volunteer worker does not get paid or receive compensation for services rendered.
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    DM Leblanc,

    OK, I think you misread. Have you noticed that I talk about volunteer and PART-TIME? No need to give me the definition of volunteer, I know what it means. Part time on the other hand doesn't have the same definition.

    I realized more than ever today that there are even more volunteers than I thought.

    The provincial laws here requires the firefighters to have a certification. I think it is something like 400 hours of class/practice with a coach, in order to be certified. Not all firefighters here have that certification, but are requested to be in the process of obtaining it.

    Note that it depends of the size of the city. Here I am talking about between 5000 and 25 000.

    Since the laws requires such implication (for insurance purposes I guess?), I guess that cities have no choice but to pay. Are they supported/financed by the government? Maybe. I do not think they would reach the minimum required by the government if it wouldn't be paid.

    Different world, different reality. I am sure you didn't know mine. I didn't know yours, that's why I asked questions.

    The question here is not to find who's wrong and who's right, nor judge someone that asks a question. I said it in a previous message, I am starting a discussion.

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    I get a sticker for my truck, a t-shirt, all the soft drinks I want while I'm at the station, and a very nice dinner at the end of the year. Works here.

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    we are paid by the hour ................how hard is that ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    Recently we did an exercise to see about doubling our rates to the community.

    2 x 0.00 = 0.00

    We feel so much better now.
    Kiwi, you are selling yourself short. We upped ours by 5.
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    I've never heard of a fully volunteer firefighter being paid a penny. Isn't that what "volunteer" means?



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    $12.00 per run regardless of type or duration.

    $8.00 per training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacknewton View Post
    I am not saying you should get $45 000 a year, but at least the same hourly rate as a full time FF's when on a call? Danger is the same.
    In my first department, paying the paid-per-call folks the same hourly wage as the career folks would have been a decrease in pay (at least for structure calls).

    At that time (it's been five years since I was a member), the call folks were paid $15/hour for the first hour of a structure fire and $10/hour after the first. Extrications, non-structure fires and training were $10/hour. All other calls were $5/hour. Any portion of an hour constituted an hour, so you got paid $25 whether the house fire lasted an hour and three minutes or an hour and fifty.

    I will say that the chief at the time wasn't much of a pinch-penny. He wasn't the sort of guy to terminate an incident early to avoid paying everyone for another hour. Lord knows there are a few chiefs out there that would.

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    Our department is a combination with 5 full time and 35 part time firefighters. The part time firefighters receive the following pay scale regardless of how long the incident occurs:

    Officers (Lt thru Captain) $18.61 per hour for alarms
    Non Officers $15.70 per hour for alarms

    Officers $15.69 for Relief Driver Shifts
    Non Officers $13.94 for Relief Driver Shifts

    Overtime (holidays only) $18.78 for all Relief Drivers who work on a holiday

    The following is all per hour rates:

    Work Detail $8.33
    Training - field $9.95
    Parking Enforcement $13.45
    Maintenance Detail $10.45
    Dispatch $9.95
    Training - classroom $8.33

    Also a note that all of our trainees (probationary firefighters) start out at $8.33 per hour. After they complete the fire academy and take the dept test they get a hefty pay increase up to $15.70.

    Note: When Relief Drivers are working at the firehouse, they only get one pay rate.

    We cover 36 square miles with a pop of 17,000 and run approximately 1900 calls per year.

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