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    Default Rescue-Engine Design Ideas

    The Tower has been spec'ed and the contract is being signed this week. Next week, the apparatus committee meets to begin a spec for a Rescue-Engine. I'm looking for input from people with good and bad experience with relatively new Rescue-Engines, both for manufacturers and design ideas. So far, the only decision made is a rear mount 2000 gpm pump. Any input is greatly appreciated! (I have searched and didn't find as much good data that I thought I would. Sorry if this has been touched upon recently. Forward links if available)







    By the way, the tower is a Sutphen SPH 100. 12-14 month build time.


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    Damn, you guys are right on our heels. We took delivery of a tower last November and go to bid on a rear mount rescue pumper this November.

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    The correct answer is what is needed on your apparatus and response area. In ours, the rescue engine is basically an engine first with some extrication abilities. Since not too much equipment is carried (cutters,jaws, few air bags,power saws and hand tools), the engine function does not suffer from extremely high hosebeds or an apparatus that is too long to manuever. Your requirements may be different than ours. With one push of the radio transmit button, I can get anything I need within minutes. We don't have to carry everything.

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    Our Rescue Engine is coming up on three years old. It is a Pierce with a 1500 gpm rear mount pump. Three hydraulic reels, electric and air reels (tool air cascade system) of each side. It has a 15,000# front mount winch and 9500# portable winch. Fixed lighting on all four sides, a light tower and portable lighting.

    It is very well equipped for vehicle extrication, it is very well equipped for engine company or rescue company operations on structure fires. We are well equipped for swift water and cold water (ice) rescue. We have the rope equipment to perform at the Operations Level for rope rescue.

    The vehicle was designed under a thought process of Big R (rescue) and Little E (engine) although outside of drafting I don't think there are any engine company operations that we would feel deficient in.

    If you scroll around our website you should see some pics of it www.fairfaxfire.org

    I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.

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    Smile Rescue Engine

    W took delivery of a 2007 Pierce Enforcer rear mount rescue pumper, and we cant say enought good about it. We have the 1500 gpm S100 pump, 12 gpm foam system Class A. We use it as a wet rescue with no supply hose; coffin compartments, compartments in what would be the hosebed. 30 kw Harrison with a hot shift Pto, fixed quartz lights on all 4 sides which are the best i have used in 27 years, a 6000 watt light tower, and perconnected tools on the front and both sides. winch points on all 4 sides . The apparatus has suction hose for the one time we may need to draft . 100% LED lighting and chevreon striping.
    And the last sand and black interior that Pierce built.

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    A slight change of direction. Any Pierce rearmounts on a commercial chassis.

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    Lightbulb Rescue Engine

    Just returned from Pierce and noted a couple of interesting ideas out there. A apparatus from Concord, Virginia VFD had a 24" front bumper extension. Contained in that extension were the following:

    Outboard of the frame rails on each side were Hannay Reels with 100' Holmatro Core hydraulic lines.

    Between the frame rails was a shallow tray to hold the preconnected tools.

    All of the this equipment was protected by a hinged cover.

    Each reel was mounted in a enclosed tub to protect it from the elements.

    Looked like a clean set-up.

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    Default Rear Mount Rescue Pumper

    Quote Originally Posted by bsimpson145 View Post
    The Tower has been spec'ed and the contract is being signed this week. Next week, the apparatus committee meets to begin a spec for a Rescue-Engine. I'm looking for input from people with good and bad experience with relatively new Rescue-Engines, both for manufacturers and design ideas. So far, the only decision made is a rear mount 2000 gpm pump. Any input is greatly appreciated! (I have searched and didn't find as much good data that I thought I would. Sorry if this has been touched upon recently. Forward links if available)







    By the way, the tower is a Sutphen SPH 100. 12-14 month build time.
    www.Toyne.com Check out Dravosburg PA's rig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Damn, you guys are right on our heels. We took delivery of a tower last November and go to bid on a rear mount rescue pumper this November.
    Guess I'm bringing up the rear. We won't go to bid until very late in 2008 at earliest.
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    Adam,get a few of the guys together and come see me.I've got a nice RP(mid not rear mt)you might get a few ideas from.Give you an excuse to get out of the City for a few minutes.Honey do can wait a day,hehe T.C.

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    TC - Would it be possible for you to snap some digital pics of compartment set up / equipment and email me in your spare time?

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    Yes,it would as soon as I can corner my IT guy.Probably can corner him this weekend.I'll see what I can do. T.C.

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    Make sure your preconnected hydraulic rescue tools have hoses long enough to keep the engine out of the "hot zone," 100 feet is just a bit on the short side if you want to work 360degrees around the accident, I would go with 150 if we had to do it again.

    Make sure you spec in 360 degree lighting, our RP has a ton of lighting on it, but the only forward lighting is the headlight, which are blocked when you open the "hood" on the front bumper to take the tools out. The only other on-board lights are two rear of the cab mounted tele-lights which are partly blocked by the cab. I'd difinietly look into a light tower.

    If you spec front bumper compartments (preconnect HRT or hoses) make sure the compartment is water proof, will save you a lot of grief down the road.

    If you spec a front bumper compartment, make sure it does not interfere with road lights and creat massive dark spots in front of the truck at night.

    If you spec bumper mounted bell or Q2B same as above.

    Personally I'd stay away from roll-up doors, expensive and fragile, better to spec a really good door-ajar alarm than rely on roll-ups to prevent truck-station door accidents.

    If you spec an arrow board on the rear, make sure it is visible when all the other warning lights are on, not uncommon to see warning lights outshining arrow boards making them useless.

    Good luck, if I come up with any other ideas I'll post them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire304 View Post

    If you spec an arrow board on the rear, make sure it is visible when all the other warning lights are on, not uncommon to see warning lights outshining arrow boards making them useless.
    And if you're getting a traffic advisor (what 304 mentioned...), get a true arrow board.

    Not many drivers understand the traffic advisors where lights just go one side ot the other, the "arrows" point to the appropriate direction!
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    Similar thoughts here, 304, all the way back in 2004 no less!
    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthre...ighlight=reels

    Starting points:

    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthre...ghlight=pumper

    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthre...ight=hydraulic

    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthre...ight=hydraulic

    http://forums.firehouse.com/showthre...ight=hydraulic

    Do "advanced" searches and limit your results to the Apparatus Innovation section. There's way more good info out there already.

    As for arrow boards, DOT style is the way to go. Non-compliant traffic advisors = waste of money IMHO.

    PS - Good to see you and the fam last week. I miss being around...
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    304 has many great tips, but I'll offer one descenting opinion. We prefer the roll-up doors for ease of removing heavy equipment. With a rescue engine you're apt to carry cribbing, jacks, rescue tools, etc. that have some weight or bulk. We have found that short of full transverse roll out trays the equpiment is still "inside" when using standard hinged doors. Try having two firefighters remove a portable generator when they have to reach straight in and lift and pull toward them vs. using roll ups and a roll out tray where both firefighters can position themselves on either side to lift straight up. Same with any heavier equipment, dual hinged doors force you to reach in even with a roll out tray.

    Also, on a RP, most of the time the space above 72" from the ground is unuseable as not all firefighhters can reach or see that high. So the space taken by roll ups is not as great a loss as on a standard pumper or aerial. Of course it may rob coffin compartment space or interfere with mount multiple reels (if depth is shallow), but in all I like the ability for the tools to come all the way out from the comparment. Or the ability to get closer in to the compartment without banging my elbows on the hinged doors.

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    RFDACM02, on our EMS rescue truck, we put easily removeable pins in the door "closers" so that the pin can be removed and the doors opened almost 180 degrees instead of 90. Gets them out of the way for the heavy stuff.

    Of course, you can't have 2 adjacent compartments open more than 90 at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    RFDACM02, on our EMS rescue truck, we put easily removeable pins in the door "closers" so that the pin can be removed and the doors opened almost 180 degrees instead of 90. Gets them out of the way for the heavy stuff.

    Of course, you can't have 2 adjacent compartments open more than 90 at a time.
    Another good idea. We have one door like that on an engine, but it was as a result of poor workmanship in the first place necessitating some ingenuity on the closure device. . As long a people are careful ensuring one door is closed before opening another I think its a decent option. We've just not seen the issues others have with roll-up doors nor have we heard too many horror storues from those with ROM who keep the tracks clean.

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    Post Rescue Engines ?

    Do the fire departments that own a rescue engine also have a light duty or heavy duty rescue in service at there station. We made a big misteak back in 1998 by buying a commercial cab Heavy Rescue and not getting a custom cab Rescue engine, and then going out buying a pumper in 2005, we could have had one apparatus to do the job of two and extra space in the truck bay for a longer Aerial or tower !....
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    If you need a bit of extra space, chop the front bumper off that rescue. It appears to only have a Q mounted on it anyways
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