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    He isn't as dumb as he looks. Thankfully, he vetoed the most recent child health care bill. This bill did absolutely nothing but make those who supported it look good to the masses. The sad part is this bill would have only covered 0.0011% of all Americans. Wouldn't it be nice of the dopey congress could come up with soe well thought out legislation that made sense. Let's start by not giving illegal aliens any kind of money at all. No SSI, No food Stamps, No Nothing. Except for a ticket back home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    He isn't as dumb as he looks. Thankfully, he vetoed the most recent child health care bill.
    This bill did absolutely nothing but make those who supported it look good to the masses. The sad part is this bill would have only covered 0.0011% of all Americans. Wouldn't it be nice of the dopey congress could come up with soe well thought out legislation that made sense. Let's start by not giving illegal aliens any kind of money at all. No SSI, No food Stamps, No Nothing. Except for a ticket back home.

    This bill has broad GOP support in the Senate. Good luck on elections in 2008 on this veto. After 6 years of spending like a drunken sailor Bush finally decides to sober up at the expense of kids.

    Gotta love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Let's start by not giving illegal aliens any kind of money at all. No SSI, No food Stamps, No Nothing.
    Oh geez. Now you've done it. You're gonna get the bleeding hearts going now.

    My opinion.... when it comes to giving illegals handouts, my heart is bone dry. If they came legally, and worked, fell on hard times, fine. But just coming over here right of the bat bummin around, that's another story.


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    Personally, I think this country needs to put an abrupt halt to a major part of the hand-outs. One of our countries biggest problems is that we lost track of the idea that welfare was created to get people off of welfare. It has evolved to the situation now that our gov't has to pay for people to raise their kids.

    I'm all for helping kids (if it's helping kids and not a bill with a bunch of fat and BS involved), but at some point the parents have to be forced to be accountable. Until the day comes that we do that, we (us who actually work instead of drawing a gov't check) are going to pump more and more money into supporting families in which the adults are too lazy to get a freaking job to do it themselves.

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    I'm for welfare - to an extent. I know if people need help, they need it. Anybody can fall on hard times. But to fall and stay that way for 10 years? No way. They need to beef up the system. One way to do it is to require a photo ID when making a purchase. I've heard of people that get stamps, but sell the card every month to different people. If an ID was required, that couldn't be done. Wouldn't hurt to send the case workers out on surprise visits. That way they can check to see if that person still has their card in possession. If not, cut them immediately. Also, the day they sign up for stamps, they must go to the unemployment office. Simple things like that could make a huge difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This bill has broad GOP support in the Senate. Good luck on elections in 2008 on this veto. After 6 years of spending like a drunken sailor Bush finally decides to sober up at the expense of kids.

    Gotta love it.
    Sure it had broad support. They are all trying to buy votes with your tax dollars. The reality of it all is that this bill did absolutely nothing. How about providing health care for everyone under the age of 21, regardless of income? Not there is a bill that will do something. The way things are going, pretty soon there won't be a middle class, it will be the rich and the poor.

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    This administration has spent billions for schools, hospitals, and houses for kids.....in Iraq.

    Yet doing the same here is advocating for big government. And conservative lapdogs buy it hook, line, and sinker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    This administration has spent billions for schools, hospitals, and houses for kids.....in Iraq.

    Yet doing the same here is advocating for big government. And conservative lapdogs buy it hook, line, and sinker.
    I never said spending all of that in Iraq was a good idea either, or Bosnia, or Kosovo, or any other country for that matter. I guess one difference is in those countries all of the citizens get the benefit, not just a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SapphyreBlues View Post
    I'm for welfare - to an extent. I know if people need help, they need it. Anybody can fall on hard times. But to fall and stay that way for 10 years? No way. They need to beef up the system. One way to do it is to require a photo ID when making a purchase. I've heard of people that get stamps, but sell the card every month to different people. If an ID was required, that couldn't be done. Wouldn't hurt to send the case workers out on surprise visits. That way they can check to see if that person still has their card in possession. If not, cut them immediately. Also, the day they sign up for stamps, they must go to the unemployment office. Simple things like that could make a huge difference.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for helping someone get back on their feet. The problem is that there are too many who don't want to get back on their feet, they want to sit on their tails and get free money.

    I've got one way to save millions. Require random drug tests. You get one failed test, you get a stern warning. Second one, you get your benefits pulled. Disability is another area we could save millions. Do the above drug tests, as well as getting more stringent on finding the frauds. If you really need the benefits, you're going to do what it takes to get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for helping someone get back on their feet. The problem is that there are too many who don't want to get back on their feet, they want to sit on their tails and get free money.

    I've got one way to save millions. Require random drug tests. You get one failed test, you get a stern warning. Second one, you get your benefits pulled. Disability is another area we could save millions. Do the above drug tests, as well as getting more stringent on finding the frauds. If you really need the benefits, you're going to do what it takes to get them.
    I didn't even think about drug tests. But in my opinion, one failed drug test should result in pulled benefits. If they can buy (insert random drug here), they can buy food. But yeah, I definitely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22 View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for helping someone get back on their feet. The problem is that there are too many who don't want to get back on their feet, they want to sit on their tails and get free money.

    I've got one way to save millions. Require random drug tests. You get one failed test, you get a stern warning. Second one, you get your benefits pulled. Disability is another area we could save millions. Do the above drug tests, as well as getting more stringent on finding the frauds. If you really need the benefits, you're going to do what it takes to get them.
    I'm with you on that. Problem is it is demeaning to those poor unfortunate souls to have to do that. However, it is demeaning for me to give up half my paycheck so they can sit their lazy butts at home all day long. And for god's sake, stop giving benefits to "illegal" aliens. And like I said, I'm all for helping the kids, but let's do for every last one regardless of income. Why should only the lazy get he benefits? OH Yea, stop giving them money for each kid they have. Now there is an incentive - Have more kids and we pay you more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    OH Yea, stop giving them money for each kid they have. Now there is an incentive - Have more kids and we pay you more money.
    I know of women that do this very thing. Matter of fact, some time ago in Michigan, some chick asked my dad if he would knock her up. She said she would give him some of the check. She already had a houseful.

    And no for those that are wondering...he didn't do it

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    Execerpt from Bush's kids healthcare veto speech

    "My job is a decision making job, and as a result, i make a lot of decisions."

    Speaks for itself.

    Link for video.

    http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/t...ow/index.jhtml

    3/4 way through
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    Quote Originally Posted by rfdlou View Post
    "I'm gonna talk about the ideal world, Chris. I've read, I understand reality. If you're asking me as the president, would I understand reality, I do."
    Hardball, MSNBC; May 31, 2000
    What's always seemed paradoxical to me is how conservatives will blast away at the education system in our nation and then support a person who cannot speak a simple sentence correctly.

    Even more puzzling it is claimed by Bush supporters that he reads 60 plus books a year. Yet his lack of speaking literacy is apparent and an embarassment.
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    rfdlou, did you compile that? or did u get it from a website? if so can you please post the link. thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha4 View Post
    rfdlou, did you compile that? or did u get it from a website? if so can you please post the link. thanks!
    Here is a good place to start.

    http://www.dubyaspeak.com/
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    lol thanks scfire!

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    scfire86 said......
    "After 6 years of spending like a drunken sailor Bush finally decides to sober up at the expense of kids.


    This administration has spent billions for schools, hospitals, and houses for kids.....in Iraq. Yet doing the same here is advocating for big government. And conservative lapdogs buy it hook, line, and sinker.


    What's always seemed paradoxical to me is how conservatives will blast away at the education system in our nation and then support a person who cannot speak a simple sentence correctly."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZFF25 View Post
    Wow....scfire....I think I've found something that you posted that I totally agree with. I couldn't have said it better myself. Strong work!
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    Not strong at all. Any rational thinking person could make those posts in their sleep.
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    Bush is an ***, always been an ***, WILL ALWAYS BE AN ***! We are spending way too much money/time on those f-ing Iraqis who are so freaking lazy to do anything for themselves. If they don't want to be helped, then why help them?

    BUSH SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!

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    We are spending way too much money/time on those f-ing Iraqis who are so freaking lazy to do anything for themselves. If they don't want to be helped, then why help them?
    While I agree on your views of Bush, your opinions on the Iraqis and their current plight are way off. It's not their fault they're in the position they are...it's ours. This whole "we'll stand down as they stand up" thing is a line of crap, just like every other buzzword to come out of the White House in the last six years. You think we are really going to empower the Iraqi military to stand on its own? Think again. American forces aren't being pulled out of Iraq for one reason, and one reason only: Bush and his neocon cronies never intended for them to leave...ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Explorer343 View Post
    Bush is an ***, always been an ***, WILL ALWAYS BE AN ***! We are spending way too much money/time on those f-ing Iraqis who are so freaking lazy to do anything for themselves. If they don't want to be helped, then why help them?

    BUSH SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
    Pretty strong language and tough talk from someone who is not old enough to vote

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    Pretty strong language and tough talk from someone who is not old enough to vote
    Too bad they weren't old enough to vote in the last election, because he/she is obviously more endowed with insight than most of the legal voters on this forum who voted for the idiot-in-chief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Too bad they weren't old enough to vote in the last election, because he/she is obviously more endowed with insight than most of the legal voters on this forum who voted for the idiot-in-chief.
    What ever you say, Bob. I normally don't get into the middle of the childish name-calling rants of you and your ilk...I consider the source and respect your opinion as much as it ticks me off, but at least you can back up your opinion with an opposing vote. I will not take it from a child who has no say in the matter and is merely going along with the side that is "popular". Call me a "conservative lapdog" or whatever clever putdown you and SC can come up with but I'm sorry but I was taught that even if I didn't agree with the man that I still respect the office and not call the President the names that I see you and others do. Sorry if being respectful and expressing disappointment in a leader in more polite means is quaint and worthy of ridicule to you...I'm sure you will call me some name or put me down in some fashion like you do anyone else who dares speak up against you.

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