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    Anyone know for sure or heard of any departments with minimum staffing language. Looking for departments with staffing language in their contracts, SOPs, Civil Service Rules...Ect. Thanks
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    Ours is in English.

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    Thanks malana1. I should have seen that coming.

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    We tried but an arbitrator ruled staffing is a management right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedic 61 View Post
    We tried but an arbitrator ruled staffing is a management right.
    Bingo! Give that man a cigar.

    Staffing is a management right. Operations is (can be) a safety issue.

    Management is entitled to have as few firefighters on-duty as they choose. But they can't require a crew that is below the size recognized for safety to carry out high risk operations.
    "Nemo Plus Voluptatis Quam Nos Habant"

    The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules.

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    We were able to bring it to the table under, "safety staffing". I believe however, that no matter how it is stated it still is considered a managment right. Our state, however is starting to lobby for the ability to bargain for staffing. It is the hope that with the Democratic swing that it may be passed. We'll keep our fingers crossed.

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    i dont have the contract infront of me, so i dont know the language, but i know we have minimum manning in our contract. also, lockport just won a minumum manning/contract dispute in court i belive.

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    Duluth MN has language about minimum staffing
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    The union here has had staffing language since 1985. Minimum staffing levels are addressed in the contract as a health and safety issue.

    Over the years, FD management (the Chief, Deputy Chief and the Board of Fire Commissioners) have argued for more staffing while the town side management usually wants to cut. Past chiefs have been removed or excluded from negotiations by mayors for not supporting cuts to the FD during contract negotiations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golzy12 View Post
    Duluth MN has language about minimum staffing, you can read the contract here http://www.ci.duluth.mn.us/city/fire/private/. it's under the safety section.
    Could you copy and post the section that you are referring to. The link that you postd requires a password to access that part of the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrescue View Post
    Could you copy and post the section that you are referring to. The link that you posted requires a password to access that part of the site.

    Thanks.
    Here is the section:

    Article 40-Safety

    40.1 The Union has requested that certain existing operating
    procedures be made a part of this Agreement because it
    believes that these operating procedures are important
    to the safety of its members. The Employer does not
    wish to make these operating procedures a part of this
    Agreement because of the potential difficulty it may
    have in changing such procedures in the future.
    However, because the Employer recognizes that there are
    certain unique hazards associated with fire service and
    because the Employer wishes to insure that appropriate
    consideration be given to the matter of the safety of
    the fire fighters, and because the Employer wishes to
    take advantage of the knowledge and ideas possessed by
    fire fighters, it agrees that it shall not change the
    operating procedures listed below without having first
    conducted a conference on the subject with
    representatives of the Union. The operating procedures
    referred to are as follows:

    40.2 A minimum of two (2) employees shall be assigned at all
    times to engine companies in the Gary-New Duluth,
    Woodland and Lakeside fire stations, as long as the
    employer maintains engine companies in these locations.

    40.3 A minimum of three (3) employees shall be assigned at
    all times to ladder companies and engine companies not
    covered by paragraph 1, above, except that one (1)
    employee may be assigned to the Park Point fire station
    engine company.

    40.4 At least two (2) engine companies or one (1) engine
    company and one (1) ladder company shall respond
    immediately to all fire alarms indicating a structural
    fire, if at the time of such alarm all engine and
    ladder companies are available for service.

    40.5 At #4 Fire Station the employer has two units of
    equipment: One Quint Rig, and one Rescue Squad #244.
    The manning levels to be maintained on these units is:
    Two employees on Squad #244 and three employees on the
    Quint Rig. When the Quint unit is planned to be used
    as a combined engine and ladder unit, it will be
    operated by a five employee team, including the three
    employees whose regular work assignment is to the Quint
    Rig. When the Quint unit is operated by only the three
    employees who are assigned to it, rather than a five
    employee team, it shall operate as a ladder company or

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    We have Minimum Manning in the contract, and safety was the compelling argument.

    Lockport NY just won a minimum manning case, they took down the link but if anyone wants the pdf I can email it.

    What was interesting was how the arbitrator viewed NFPA 1710 (to the union's advantage) even though LFD or NYS has not adopted that standard. It's nice to see the good guys win one.
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    My department has it in the contract "all engines and ladders must be staffed with a minimum of 3 firefighters at all times. Each rescue (EMS) and the Squad (heavy rescue) must have at least 2 firefighters at all times with at least one ALS provider on each rescue. Each shift shall have a shift commander in charge at all times for no less than 22 personnel per shift." We run 4 Engines, 1 Ladder, 2 Rescue's and 1 Squad and a BC per shift. We also have 2 "floaters" per shift to cover vacancies ie: vacation or sick calls, to reduce OT but we haven't hired so it's OT for every call out. We actually have 10 vacancies, but we need to have 22 at all times regardless. This is set in stone per contract.
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    Our language is in our CBA. Requires (4) man engines, (1) Officer, (1) FEO and (2) tailboard. (2) of the above must be medics, excluding the FEO. Additionally, we require and (2) man Rescue, (1) Officer and (1) FEO, a (2) man ladder (1) officer and (1) FEO and (1) Battalion Chief. 25 man minimum per day. 30 Staffing per shift, three shifts.

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    Our local was able to prevail in binding arbitration in 1996 with regard to minimum manpower. Our staffing levels are per shift however, not per piece [or apparatus].

    Our arguments in '96 were based on the safety of our members at a structure fire; and we utilized expert testimony from retired chief officers, an IAFF GIS study of our demographics and response times, and of course local input.

    If you send me an e-mail, I'd be happy to share the particulars if you need them.

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    I'm doing a paper for a class (fire science degree) relating to minimum staffing/nfpa 1710. I see several of you have said your dept has minimum staffing language in your contract, but I haven't seen anyone say their minimums are compliant with all the recommendations of nfpa 1710. I see some 4 man engine companies, but not 4 man ladders, etc. Do any of you know of a dept that is totally compliant?? Also, if any others that haven't already can share the wording in their contract relating to this issue or how the union or mgt has approached this issue in the past (with good or bad end results) I would be greatly appreciative.

    Thanks!

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    You will probably see more of this issue in contracts thanks to our fallen brothers, most recently Charleston. Praise you brothers! Read the reports and you will see it come up several times about staffing on apparatus playing a role in this tragedy.

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