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    I live in california and as most of you know california has medical marijuana. right now i'm very interested in becoming a firefighter and in a year plan on begining the class's. i was at the doctor yesterday when he gave me a prescription for medical marijuana for of a knee injury. if i fill the orescription and become a cannabis club member well i no longer be able to become a firefighter in the future because of a past prescription?

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    if you do you better at least keep a copy of your prescription.

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    Default :O uh-oh...

    ....I can see the feces hit the fan on this one.................

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    well ,well,if you have marijuana even if it is medical marijuana,it can be a problem in fire service here,in France.i think here, they will not hire you in any fire departments with such "product".

    but in the USA,it is different maybe?
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    I hope this isn't took as a knee jerk reaction but what the ****! If it that easy to be Rx medical marijana will it reduce the pain associated with hang nails!If so there may be a market here in Kentucky!Will now that I think about we our one of the leading pot growing states in the country.I guess we have a large knee injury population locally![/QUOTE]
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    You can not be seriously asking that question. No drugs means no drugs. The moron giving you the drug test wont know if its medicinal or if its from the dope man.

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    There is zip, nada, no, none, not a drop, or continually substantiated literature that supports marijuana for medication in clinical trials. There may be mild analgesic effects and mild anti-emetic effects.

    The DEA is cracking down on these quack doctors who are in it only for the money by writing these prescriptions in direct violation of DEA rules, regulations, and the Controlled Substances Act.

    Are your too ignorant to realize the uproar going on in the fire service right now over a Boston firefighter who had marijuana in his system while on the job?

    It is time to put on your big-boy pants and grow the hell up. You want pain relief from a freaking knee injury? Use naproxen or ibuprofen to treat what is causing the pain.

    Do not use your knee pain as an excuse to rot your brain, kill your lungs, and destroy your health so you can get high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchfireball View Post
    but in the USA,it is different maybe?
    No it is not different, although most departments (regretably) do not test for use after hiring.

    However, in California several years ago the state population accepted a proposal that allowed for medical use of marijuana.

    Not a shred of reliable, substantiated data in clinical testing has supported benefits of marijuana exists that has consistently passed scrutiny in a reliable journal that I am aware of.

    And California, in direct violation of U.S. law, allows for a health care provider to write a prescription for marijuana if there is a medical reason.

    I work full-time in health care, in an urban Emergency Department. I am not naive enough to think that marijuana does not - PERHAPS - have some benefits in medical treatment, but it is illegal, has not been studied and compared in randomized controlled trials (like the vast majority of other mass-produced prescription medications), has no oversight in its growth or manufacture, and has no oversight by the state, let alone the feds in its implementation.

    Some people with good intentions (perhaps) started out many years ago to want to help people get better. Their attempts have been corrupted by a bunch of teenagers, Generation X-ers, and the have-not-left-the-sixties crowd to allow them to get high. And unscroupulous health care providers with no conscience are out to make a buck.

    Sorry, but I busted my *** to finish school, have a DEA number, write prescriptions almost daily, and I am not willing to risk what I have done for money. Federal prison and large fines are not my idea of a good time. Personally, the DEA ought to hunt these doctors down and strip their license away. But they won't.
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    so to answer your question i would go back to a different doctor if you need pain meds and ask for something like hydrocodone.

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    Can someone cite a medical reference for medical marijuana treatment of a knee injury?

    BTW, it wouldn't matter what pain med is prescribed. If you are under the influence at work, you could be in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighterbeau View Post
    so to answer your question i would go back to a different doctor if you need pain meds and ask for something like hydrocodone.
    So instead of popping positive for "medical marijuana" on his **** test, he pops positive for opiates.

    Depending on the sort of injury involved, I rarely write for opiates in general. You better have a fracture or be recovering from surgery (in which case marijuana is again a poor choice for a variety of reasons).

    NSAIDs are the medication of choice for inflammatory processes.
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    Did the Dr. write you this prescription out of the better interest of patient care........or did you maybe "hint or suggest" that he write you this prescription? I don't think we're getting the whole story here. It smells kinda fishy to me................

    What's wrong with just getting some Vicodin, Tylenol w/Codiene, or Ibupropheren? If you would like to become a firefighter, I think, I would pass on the "medical" herb.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    So instead of popping positive for "medical marijuana" on his **** test, he pops positive for opiates.

    Depending on the sort of injury involved, I rarely write for opiates in general. You better have a fracture or be recovering from surgery (in which case marijuana is again a poor choice for a variety of reasons).

    NSAIDs are the medication of choice for inflammatory processes.
    Yeah, but if you were a credible physician, you could write for a strictly limited number of pills w/ no refills. It is my impression (no scientific basis intended) that many of the physicians involved in the medical marijuana movement are acting as advocates for the cause instead of doing what is best.

    Shark, it is my understanding that the use of medical marijuana is mainly for the suppression of nausea and vomiting. Am I right? If I am right, do you have an inkling of how the use of medical marijuana relates to a knee injury?

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    George.

    Righteous Brother Justin has a sore knee.

    He smokes his legal joint.

    He feels good.

    No pain.

    But wait, Bro Justin now gets the munchies.

    There is no twinkies in the fridge.

    Justin walks 1/2 a mile to the shop

    Justin eats Twinkies.

    Justin walks 1/2 a mile home.


    His knee has now had 1 mile of good healing exercise.

    Most beneficial dude.
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    Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    George.

    Righteous Brother Justin has a sore knee.

    He smokes his legal joint.

    He feels good.

    No pain.

    But wait, Bro Justin now gets the munchies.

    There is no twinkies in the fridge.

    Justin walks 1/2 a mile to the shop

    Justin eats Twinkies.

    Justin walks 1/2 a mile home.


    His knee has now had 1 mile of good healing exercise.

    Most beneficial dude.
    Outstanding analysis. Outstanding.

    But could you show a little respect and capitalize Twinkies? It is a basic food group, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jblair56 View Post
    I live in california and as most of you know california has medical marijuana. right now i'm very interested in becoming a firefighter and in a year plan on begining the class's. i was at the doctor yesterday when he gave me a prescription for medical marijuana for of a knee injury. if i fill the orescription and become a cannabis club member well i no longer be able to become a firefighter in the future because of a past prescription?

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    I call "Bravo Sierra" on that one. Are you sure you're not in Mexico?
    Who's your doc? I'm sitting at home right now with a torn ACL and crushed cartilage in my right knee. I haven't even been given a script for asprin. You better get off the pipe young man or you can forget about the fire service.
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    Lookit, no Twinkies for Snowball.

    How will he ever fix his knee.
    Psychiatrists state 1 in 4 people has a mental illness.
    Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

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    If your knee is injured enough so as to produce enough pain that you need to smoke pot to handle your everyday life, then firefighting isnt for you anyway. Smoke on and find a different line of work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    Lookit, no Twinkies for Snowball.

    How will he ever fix his knee.
    Now there's a good boy! You capatalized "Twinkies"
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    Learnin stuf ever day Boss.

    Jus don axe me wot a food groupie is.
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    Look at three of your friends, if they are ok, your it.

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    A short bit of interesting history behind medical marijuana in California...

    http://www.igs.berkeley.edu/library/...juana2003.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Yeah, but if you were a credible physician, you could write for a strictly limited number of pills w/ no refills. It is my impression (no scientific basis intended) that many of the physicians involved in the medical marijuana movement are acting as advocates for the cause instead of doing what is best.
    You saying I am not credible? LOL. I do just that. Our prescription system does not allow for refills. I will not write a prescription for refills. If you have ****ed through your medications and need a refill then you have better have gotten an appointment to see a specialist or PCP.

    It is not cruelty, it is the nature of what I do and where I work. Most doctors are acting in the best interest of TRULY aflicted patients. But the peoblem with MM is that people get marijuana for anything. It is allowed by law. Only state law.

    I am not for or against it. It has not been tested properly or enough for me to make a determination - however there are tremendous ill-effects from cannabis. It is just as harmful as a cigarette and causes the same endothelial damage to the vasculature that tobacco does. I think it has legitimate uses, but needs to be tested further. Some guy with a knee injury does not need cannabis.

    I do write for 10, occasionally 15 Vicodin (oxycodone) or Percocet (hydrocone) depending on the incident involved. I can count the number of times that I have written for 20 on 1 hand. Usually extenuating circumstances to have me do so. If you need more than that, then you can go to your PCP and get them. I work in an ED, my job is to make your pain TOLERABLE - not go away - until you are seen by a dentist, PCP, or specialist that I refer you to. They will decide if you should have more. Many orthopods are loathe to write for narcs many times - usually only 1-2 times and that is it. Especially considering 1 Vicodin or Percocet can go for $40 - $80 a pill for the streetcorner entrepreneur. I am tight with my narcotics, there are many good analgesics out there, and if I properly explain to people how and why I treat pain, the non-drug seekers will give it a good try. Narcotics do nothing, let me say that again, do N-O-T-H-I-N-G to treat the cause of pain, they only block pain reception at the Mu receptor of the brain. For back pain, I tell people 800mg of ibuprofen or 500mg of naproxen every 8 hours, ice to the back for 20 minutes of every hour, stretching, and will write for 5mg of Valium frequently. Valium hits the pain receptors, relaxes the muscles, sedates the whole body, and gives me much more effect. Not much buzz at the dose I write for though.

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    Shark, it is my understanding that the use of medical marijuana is mainly for the suppression of nausea and vomiting. Am I right? If I am right, do you have an inkling of how the use of medical marijuana relates to a knee injury?
    It is supposed to suppress N&V but, again, it has not been tested against the other anti-emetics out there like phenergan, reglan, compazine, or Zofran. In glaucoma patients, it is also supposed to help with intraoccular pressure issues. But it needs more comprehensive studies before it is accepted as main stream.
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    You saying I am not credible? LOL.
    Actually, for once I was agreeing with you. Besides, I would never insult your intelligence and call you a physician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Actually, for once I was agreeing with you. Besides, I would never insult your intelligence and call you a physician.
    Very good George, I knew what you were saying - but we agree a lot actually.

    After doing this for the past year, and the 2 years I spent in school I have a line that I use frequently when people ask if I will ever go to medical school:

    "I am not stupid enough to be a doctor."

    I do everything an MD/DO does in the ED I work in. I run codes, reduce dislocations, suture, drop chest tubes, intubate, run CHFers, and everything else you can think of. I have 1/3 their student loan debt (still a house payment every month for the next 10 years), and make about 1/2 their pay.

    Who is the fool? (could still be me, but I do not think so.)
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    Pot for a knee injury? This is a doc I need to meet!!!!
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