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    Default Blue Collar / White Collar / Somewhere Inbetween

    I had any interesting discussion today with a new member of the fire service, and the question came up - Is firefighting a blue-collar, white-collar, or somwhere in between job?

    I have pretty strong feelings on the matter, but what do you think?


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    IMHO, firefighters would be classified as blue collar. The real reason i say that is we don't work in an office from 8-5, 5 days a week. We work out with people, working hours others find insane.

    *and for the record, IMHO, blue collar does not have any kind of negative connotation to it.*
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    Some jobs you take a shower before work, others you take a shower after work. I wear a white shirt but consider myself a blue collar worker-I still get dirty
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenNFD1219 View Post
    Some jobs you take a shower before work, others you take a shower after work. I wear a white shirt but consider myself a blue collar worker-I still get dirty
    some jobs you take a shower before and after work, sometimes during too. I think we are a hybrid of blue and white collar. Throughout the course of a day firefighters do everything from cleaning toilets to conducting inspections. Doesn't really fit into either category by definition. Maybe we are "light blue" collar or "off white"

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    Definately blue collar job. No stuffy offices (except the chiefs) and really labor intensive.
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    hey there Dickey ..........some of us Chief's dont mind gettin dirty.........
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    I can't believe someone even would have to ask the question...

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    • Look at what the elites think when it comes time for a pay raise for you so you can afford to shelter and feed your family comfortably without taking on 2 side jobs?
    • Look at what they think or say when you are at the store and they think their Tax dollars are paying for your meal?
    • Look at how they talk to you when as if you were their man-servant Kato!
    • Anyone ever work in an office or white collar job? How many of the "employees" there do you think would be able to do this job without breaking down in hysterics crying?

    This is a skilled and tough blue collar job.

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    PS-EMS is often looked at as a white collar job or a close relative of one as are most healthcare careers outside of those having Doctorates.

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    Blue Collar

    White collar jobs are pencil pushing, not gonna get dirty, M-F 9 to 5 jobs. Ask a "white collar" type person to come to work, then scrub a toilet, then run up a dozen flights of stairs carrying 100 lbs of equipment. THEN come back and have to cook lunch and clean up after cooking.

    True, there may be some positions that are in the office, but the majority of the people who go to the office to get off the back step is because they couldn't hack it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    I can't believe someone even would have to ask the question...

    Blue.
    • Look at what the elites think when it comes time for a pay raise for you so you can afford to shelter and feed your family comfortably without taking on 2 side jobs?
    • Look at what they think or say when you are at the store and they think their Tax dollars are paying for your meal?
    • Look at how they talk to you when as if you were their man-servant Kato!
    • Anyone ever work in an office or white collar job? How many of the "employees" there do you think would be able to do this job without breaking down in hysterics crying?

    This is a skilled and tough blue collar job.

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    PS-EMS is often looked at as a white collar job or a close relative of one as are most healthcare careers outside of those having Doctorates.
    I'm a white collar on my regular job - and I do this job with just as much enthusiasm. Never once have I broke down and cried. Funny thing is, one of the younger guys (around 30) just bought a house and is thinking of joining the volunteer FD in his area.

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    As Deputy Chief, I consider it to be an extremely skilled and demanding blue colllar/white collar/dirty collar job.
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    It really is a trade, (and I'm sure one day will be treated as such), and leans heavily toward the Blue collar side. As mentioned, even the white collar folks get dirty on occasion (Most often when there are no Rookies available. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcaldwell View Post
    It really is a trade, (and I'm sure one day will be treated as such), and leans heavily toward the Blue collar side. As mentioned, even the white collar folks get dirty on occasion (Most often when there are no Rookies available. )

    Hear hear. I ride a desk most of the time, and today started out that way. Then about 1 I did a drill with the engine crew, and at 2 was fighting a car fire with them. Not your typical office job.
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    I find that every fire company is different. Some are Mildly white collar, some are blue collar, and alot are no collar. Just depends on the location of the fire house and how much they are gettin'...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    I can't believe someone even would have to ask the question...

    Blue.
    • Look at what the elites think when it comes time for a pay raise for you so you can afford to shelter and feed your family comfortably without taking on 2 side jobs?
    • Look at what they think or say when you are at the store and they think their Tax dollars are paying for your meal?
    • Look at how they talk to you when as if you were their man-servant Kato!
    • Anyone ever work in an office or white collar job? How many of the "employees" there do you think would be able to do this job without breaking down in hysterics crying?

    This is a skilled and tough blue collar job.

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    PS-EMS is often looked at as a white collar job or a close relative of one as are most healthcare careers outside of those having Doctorates.
    with all due respect, most EMS workers make significantly less then their fire brothers. and what you just describes applies even more so to EMS.

    Firefighters are blue collar employees. EMS tends to be considered white collar, but it's more blue collar. ditto for registered nurses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite View Post
    with all due respect, most EMS workers make significantly less then their fire brothers. and what you just describes applies even more so to EMS.
    Pay level has nothing to do with the color of the collar. Generally they are wage earners but that isn't the defining feature.

    Operating Engineers, Sandhogs, Longshoremen,Stevedores, Oil Rig workers all make much more money than me yet their jobs are considered Blue collar regardless of the comparision to my or others salaries.

    Firefighters are blue collar employees. EMS tends to be considered white collar, but it's more blue collar. ditto for registered nurses.
    I'm not sure where you learned the difference between White and Blue, but EMS and nursing is like most of the healthcare field and is considered a white collar job by the Government agencies and companies that analize labor statistics.

    Their work isn't generally considered manualy intensive, they are white collar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post

    I'm not sure where you learned the difference between White and Blue, but EMS and nursing is like most of the healthcare field and is considered a white collar job by the Government agencies and companies that analize labor statistics.

    Their work isn't generally considered manualy intensive, they are white collar.

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    I have yet to see any suit-wearing, 9-5er changing a c-bag, work a 12-14 hour shift that includes cleaning vomit off patients and floors, feeding and bathing 8-12 patients in that time frame, changing bed linens and sundry other tasks. Not manually intensive?? BS!!!

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