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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingKiwi View Post
    You had already been supplying Commonwealth forces with tanks, planes etc for 2 years. Allowing our men to die in them while we suggested the faults and improvements back to you. And you did well out of the deal, from memory it was in the 1990's when the final payment was made.

    You're right, none of our guys died in the very same tanks, with the very same mistakes that were delivered to your guys.

    I do agree with you though, the statement in question was a bit ridiculous. As you can see, that poster was dealt with and does not share my views. Aussies and Kiwi's are very deserved of respect, and are arguably our most staunch allies.

    And besides, the beer from down under is second to none.

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    Oh man this is good. I love history battles.

    Kiwi, dont forget to add that the US had been supplying the supplies illegally under their own law to both the Brits and the rest.

    Dont know too much about the Austrialian contribution to the war, although I know they were there. I thought they were located mainly in the Pacific theater and the North African campaign.

    With that being said, there is no doubt that the American's won the war, directly and indirectly. Let me rephrase that... they won the western campaign. Without the US support, Britain would have been cut off from their needed supplies that they recieved in bulk from the US and Canada.

    Without US support, needed American Planes, high octane fuel, rubber, metals, and tanks would never have been delievered. Canada would have continued to supply but their industrial might was not that of the American equivalent. Many state that Russia could have overwhelmed the Nazi assualt and done the work themselves. Lets remember though: The bloodiest battle of the war, Stalingrad, wasnt over until 1943. During which, the Soviets recieved much needed fuel and planes from the American's also.

    Without the American supply might, Britain most likely would have been starved off of needed war materials.

    Now, off the to Pacific campaign. Without a doubt, no one can argue that IF the American carriers had been destroyed at Pearl Harbor, there is nothing that could have stood in the Jap's way. They could have surrounded and basically starved and waited out each and every island out there. But, Coral Sea and Midway took the Jap's naval power out of the question and shut them down, more of less.

    Now, all that seems like America won the war single handed. But, we all know that that is not true. It took a effort from everyone. Even though America was the winning factor of the war, indirectly at first, it is not right to say that everyone else was just dragging on their coat tails. The Aussies were a huge... huge HUGE winning factor over the Afrika Corp.

    The Aussies did the majority of the fighting of the Japs during the early part of the eastern campaign. Yet, they dont get much credit.

    Best way to end this is a quote from the Simpsons:

    Yeah, well we saved your *** in world war 1 and 2.

    Oh yeah, well, we saved your *** in world war 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSIaerialmanTIM View Post
    First of all, this “obama not saluting the flag” is a big deal because:
    1.) This is not his first ”Flag Shunning” event. It is his second! He made it a POINT to tell the world he would not wear a US flag on his lapel.
    2.) Because of #1. above, this shows a pattern. SMART people notice patterns, so for all those who say “so what”, you need to wake up to what this guy is.
    3.) He is seeking the Nation’s highest office. Being stupid enough on his part to shun the largest symbol of America, shows a complete disregard for tradition and respect. Just the sort of person who does not deserve the Nation’s highest post.
    4.) Both of these decisions also show how poor his judgment really is (another example: him saying he would invade Afghanistan). Over 86% of people polled said he is wrong for not wearing a US flag. Poor judgment is another “quality” we don’t need in a President.
    5.) His church is on the fringes of society with all their “black America” crap. And some people are worried about Mitt Romney who is the most decent guy around just because he is Mormon?? COMMON! God help you if someone like Obama gets in – his church is full of racists, and if you think it will stop there; I have a time share on the moon I can let you in on.
    6.) He is a first generation US Immigrant son, and already he has lost respect for the country who gave him such opportunities.

    Those are just a few of the reasons it’s more than “just a 250th of a second in time snap shot”. Like I said, he is already done for but I am making these points so some of you will consider them and quit being so complacent! Wake up friends.

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    GodSendRain, How many insults to America does this “flying fruit” need to make before you call him on it? It’s actually not your fault I suppose, we Americans have been pounded with “It’s America’s Fault” propaganda from a purchased media for so long about “how bad America is”; that most people will let idiots from other country’s spit right in your face and then ask them for more.

    Kiwi; All disclaimers to offending you aside, let me let you in on a little secret. The country you’re from is smaller than most of our states. Your country has been hanging on the coat tails of the United States of America for over the last 100 years, looking for crumbs we drop. Without us you would be nothing. Trust me when I say we don't need YOUR advice on our "200 years". We probably have Police Forces larger than your army. So my advice to you is get a little reverence in your speech when you come on to an American board and attempt to tell US what we are doing wrong. Perhaps if your country did anything at all you might have problems of your own to worry about. TL


    Hey TL,

    I wish they wouldn't have deleted a lesson in free speech. It seems we are not living up to our promises again.

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    Indeed, and they were being paid for them for a long time. After the invasion of Russia, convoys north to Russia were a predominantly English affair. Convoys across the Atlantic were down right suicide runs and America would not even place ships on it owns seaboard in convoy until they got shot out of the water like ducks.

    Over 50 million Rusians died in that war alone. New Zealand suffered the largest loss per head of population than any other country in that war.

    Please do not ever tell a russian how you won their Great Patriotic War, your head will be tucked under your arm pit as fast as you can blink.

    No, the Aussies were not a huge winning team over the Afrika Corp, they fought (As ANZACS do) alongside English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Indian, South African, and New Zealand forces in the first campaign victory of the war.

    Of 3 Australian divisions in South Africa, 1 was pulled back for the fight at Kokada to bloster the Australian Militia already there and more were used through the Pacific campaign, untill they were sidelined by McArthur for American troops up into the Phillipine campaign so American troops would be seen politicaly to have won.
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    You guys are cracking me up ! Who cares all of our countries fought and still fight honorably. We are allies and will always be. We all stand for the same principles ! Many men died on both sides for there countries and we should not dishonor any of them.
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    Who cares all of our countries fought and still fight honorably. We are allies and will always be. We all stand for the same principles ! Many men died on both sides for there countries and we should not dishonor any of them.


    AMEN to that!!! And what ever the atheist's say!
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    May I join in? As a very minor Junior,junior Explorer/Cadet/Cub/Newbie participant in WW2--I have very vivid memories of men in uniform--Poles/Free French/Canadians/Anzacs/American/Indian/South African/Dutch etc.


    To all of those brave men--thank you for what you did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BFDNJFF View Post
    You guys are cracking me up ! Who cares all of our countries fought and still fight honorably. We are allies and will always be. We all stand for the same principles ! Many men died on both sides for there countries and we should not dishonor any of them.

    May I join in? As a very minor Junior,junior Explorer/Cadet/Cub/Newbie participant in WW2--I have very vivid memories of men in uniform--Poles/Free French/Canadians/Anzacs/American/Indian/South African/Dutch etc.

    To all of those brave men--thank you for what you did!

    If not for them I would have finished up in an oven, like most of my people.
    A good deal of perspective there.

    Well I think that should be about all with the Chest Thumping.

    Well said gentlemen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    How do you know there isn't another flag in front of them as well, perhaps presented by a color guard.
    The problem as I see it is Mr. Osama doesn't understand American Tradition. Is it any wonder he is dropping like a rock in the polls? There are certain customs and traditions that 95% of all Americans embrace. You do have that fringe crowd that wants to please everyone (which is impossible). Myself, I am offended that we are taking Christmas out of public institutions as well as the schools just to appease some 3rd world radical who moved to this country with the sole intent of turning it upside down. We are a Christian society, deal with it. We salute the Flag and Respect the Flag. The flag is a symbol of our freedom and democracy, it represents everything great that this country stands for. What next?? Start criticizing someones Halloween directions and their costumes. Perhaps those who don't like to live by our rules and customs should go back to their native lands where they can live by the rules and customs they like.
    They can have my Halloween decor when they pry it from my cold ded hand!!!!!

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    Ol' Barack has bigger problems, now. Seems it might not be looked upon so kindly that he was telling his ol' drunken/high war stories to a group of high school kids.

    Let's see if the liberal **** ants ask the same questions of his admitted drug use that they asked of Pres. Bush over his rumored-but not proven-drug use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Let's see if the liberal **** ants ask the same questions of his admitted drug use that they asked of Pres. Bush over his rumored-but not proven-drug use.
    What do you mean not-proven? He was asked directly and avoided a direct answer. Asking someone if they've used illegal drugs warrants a "Yes" or "No" answer. Shrub responded with what can best be described as a Clintonian response.

    Bush denies illegal drug use for past 25 years.

    Excerpts:

    Bush and his campaign aides made a series of statements Thursday both expanding and clarifying statements he made Wednesday in an interview with The Dallas Morning News. In that interview, Bush said he could answer 'no' to the current question about illegal drug use that is asked on FBI background checks of administration appointees. That question asks prospective appointees whether they have used illegal drugs in the past seven years.
    Next, a key campaign aide expanded that definition. Bush spokeswoman Mindy Tucker later said the Republican presidential front-runner was saying that he has not used illegal drugs at any time since 1974, when the 53-year-old Bush was 28. She, too, said Bush would not go into any more detail about his earlier years.


    No one asked about the last seven years. They asked if he "ever" used illegal drugs. Oddly enough it was about that same time he didn't show up for a flight physical that caused him to lose his flying status with the TX Air Guard.

    Just a coincidence I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    not proven-drug use.
    hahahahahhahahahahha

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    It was only a matter of time before you invoked Godwin's Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    It was only a matter of time before you invoked Godwin's Law.
    I didn't invoke it, Obama did when he slipped up and told the truth about how he feels about taxation. The truth hurts doesn't it?




    And that's not a law. It's a theory. The fact of you not knowing the difference is no surprise.

    What's even more hilarious is the fact that you're using ideas of a lawyer from San Francisco, CA to defend the gaff of the most left-wing Homosapien to run for President in 219 years.

    New jobs are not created by taking money from the pockets of those people most responsible for a business's existence. Obama's idea of how an economy works is as perverted as yours is.
    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Because in order for the people doing the work to be able to buy things they need to be paid a wage that will allow them to do just that.
    There's an old slogan about "no taxation without representation." Obama wants to take it a step further by providing the converse; representation without taxation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    I didn't invoke it, Obama did when he slipped up and told the truth about how he feels about taxation. The truth hurts doesn't it?




    And that's not a law. It's a theory. The fact of you not knowing the difference is no surprise.

    What's even more hilarious is the fact that you're using ideas of a lawyer from San Francisco, CA to defend the gaff of the most left-wing Homosapien to run for President in 219 years.

    New jobs are not created by taking money from the pockets of those people most responsible for a business's existence. Obama's idea of how an economy works is as perverted as yours is.There's an old slogan about "no taxation without representation." Obama wants to take it a step further by providing the converse; representation without taxation.
    From this time forward I am going to post random patriotic quotes on here eveytime some lunatic posts random crap on here about Osama being a terrorist, a criminal, a low-life, a tax cheat, a communist, or a socialist.

    So here we go "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." ~Benjamin Franklin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geinandputitout View Post
    From this time forward I am going to post random patriotic quotes on here eveytime some lunatic posts random crap on here about Osama being a terrorist, a criminal, a low-life, a tax cheat, a communist, or a socialist.

    So here we go "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." ~Benjamin Franklin
    It wasn't random. It's Obama's own words.

    I guess you have to revert to random patriotic quotes because you have nothing to defend his long-term associations with racists, terrorists, tax cheates, and socialists.

    And since you like random quotes, here's one for you:

    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
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    The truth hurts doesn't it?
    Hell, no...it feels good. It's time for all the tax-cheating, un-American rich *******s to start paying their fair share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Hell, no...it feels good. It's time for all the tax-cheating, un-American rich *******s to start paying their fair share.
    What exactly is their fair share? And what do we do with those that pay nothing? Is nothing their fair share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Hell, no...it feels good. It's time for all the tax-cheating, un-American rich *******s to start paying their fair share.
    Substantiate your claim that the rich are not paying their fair share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    Substantiate your claim that the rich are not paying their fair share.

    Now THAT was funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by txgp17 View Post
    It wasn't random. It's Obama's own words.
    Please tell me that you DID notice the fact that there were at least 3 cuts during that 10 second clip to make his message fit into the Fox News agenda?

    I can go through your last 10 posts and then cut and paste 1 sentence parts out of them to make you say whatever it is that you want me to say.

    Find some transcripts of the whole conversation and after you listen to it all decide what you want to think.

    If you guys would fight fire the same way you handle politics than recruit training could be reduced from weeks and months to a 10 second sound-bite. "Here, but the wet stuff on the hot stuff."

    Here is a better picture than a 10 second sound-bite from Fox News.
    __________________________________________________ ________________
    Outside Toledo, Ohio, on Sunday, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was approached by plumber Joe Wurzelbacher, a big, bald man with a goatee who asked Obama if he believes in the American dream.

    "I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year," Wurzelbacher said. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"

    Obama said, "First off, you would get a 50% tax credit so you'd get a tax cut for your healthcare costs….. if your revenue is above 250 – then from 250 down, your taxes are going to stay the same. It is true that from 250 up – from 250 – 300 or so, so for that additional amount, you’d go from 36 to 39%, which is what it was under Bill Clinton. And the reason why we’re doing that is because 95% of small businesses make less than 250. So what I want to do is give them a tax cut. I want to give all these folks who are bus drivers, teachers, auto workers who make less, I want to give them a tax cut. And so what we’re doing is, we are saying that folks who make more than 250 that that marginal amount above 250 – they’re gonna be taxed at a 39 instead of a 36% rate.”

    Responded Wurzelbacher, "the reason I ask you about the American dream, I mean I've worked hard. I'm a plumber. I work 10-12 hours a day and I'm buying this company and I'm going to continue working that way. I'm getting taxed more and more while fulfilling the American dream."

    "Well," said Obama, "here's a way of thinking about it. How long have been a plumber?"

    Wurzelbacher said 15 years.

    Obama says, “Over the last 15 years, when you weren’t making 250, you would have been given a tax cut from me, so you’d actually have more money, which means you would have saved more, which means you would have gotten to the point where you could build your small business quicker than under the current tax code. So there are two ways of looking at it – I mean one way of looking at it is, now that you’ve become more successful through hard work – you don’t want to be taxed as much.”

    “Exactly," Wurzelbacher said.

    Obama continued, “But another way of looking at it is 95% of folks who are making less than 250, they may be working hard too, but they’re being taxed at a higher rate than they would be under mine. So what I’m doing is, put yourself back 10 years ago when you were only making whatever, 60 or 70. Under my tax plan you would be keeping more of your paycheck, you’d be paying lower taxes, which means you would have saved…Now look, nobody likes high taxes."

    "No," said Wurzelbacher.

    "Of course not," said Obama. "But what’s happened is that we end up – we’ve cut taxes a lot for folks like me who make a lot more than 250. We haven’t given a break to folks who make less, and as a consequence, the average wage and income for ordinary folks, the vast majority of Americans, has actually gone down over the last eight years. So all I want to do is – I’ve got a tax cut. The only thing that changes, is I’m gonna cut taxes a little bit more for the folks who are most in need and for the 5% of the folks who are doing very well - even though they’ve been working hard and I appreciate that – I just want to make sure they’re paying a little bit more in order to pay for those other tax cuts. Now, I respect the disagreement. I just want you to be clear – it’s not that I want to punish your success – I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you – that they’ve got a chance at success too.”

    Wurzelbacher said it seemed as though Obama might support a flat tax.

    Obama says, “you know, I would be open to it except here’s the problem with a flat tax is that if you actually put a flat tax together, in order for it to work and replace all the revenue that we’ve got, you’d probably end up having to make it like about a 40% sales tax. I mean that’s the value added, making it up. Now some people say 23 or 25, but in truth when you add up all the revenue that would need to be raised, you’d have to slap on a whole bunch of sales taxes on. And I do believe for folks like me who have worked hard, but frankly also been lucky, I don’t mind paying just a little bit more than the waitress that I just met over there who’s things are slow and she can barely make the rent."

    Obama said, "My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off if you’re gonna be better off if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."

    That's the key moment McCain is jumping out…"when you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody."

    "But listen," Obama said, shaking Wurzelbacher's hand, "I respect what you do and I respect your question, and even if I don’t get your vote, I’m still gonna be working hard on your behalf, because small businesses are what creates jobs in this country and I want to encourage it.”

    "Guys I gotta get out of here and go prepare for the debate," Obama said, "but that was pretty good practice right there."

    __________________________________________________ ______________

    The thought behind "spreading the wealth around" is this: If you pay $3000 (random number I made up) more in taxes because your business is making more than $250,000, then we can allow people who make less money to keep more of their own money. Those people now can afford to frequent your business, and you end up making more money again.

    McCain makes it sound like Obama wants to take money from people making $250,000+ and then hand that money over to everybody else. But that is false thinking. By cutting taxes for people making less than 250K they get to keep more of their OWN money.

    If you call cutting taxes "spreading the wealth around" than what do you call McCain's Tax Cuts for big business? Do people that make 30K need to pay more taxes so that we can give that money to big business?

    There is a difference between cutting your taxes and letting you keep more of your OWN money, and sending you a welfare check.

    If I pay $5000 in taxes throughout the year, and I get $3000 of that back as a refund, than that is not a government handout. That is not spreading the wealth around. That is $3000 the Government should have never gotten in the first place, and that is $3000 of MY money that I will get back.
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    And here is the whole conversation, uncut, and unedited
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusKspn View Post
    Please tell me that you DID notice the fact that there were at least 3 cuts during that 10 second clip to make his message fit into the Fox News agenda?
    What a surprise. There's more to the soundbite than what is played by the McCain campaign and Faux Jazeera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Faux Jazeera.

    That is so much better than fix news.

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