Why register? ...To Enhance Your Experience
+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 5 1234 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 82
  1. #1
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    4

    Default Why are some truck companies listed in reverse?

    This may be a really dumb question, but it's been bugging me

    I've noticed that some departments display their truck companies as TRUCK 7 and others as 10 TRUCK. Is their any reason they are different?


  2. #2
    Hook & Can
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    376

    Default

    I will go out on a limb and guess that most Ladder companies have an official designation within their department. Continuing the guessing game, Truck 10 or 10 Truck would be like a nickname, akin to calling Robert either Bob or Bobby. Somewhere the nickname was applied and stuck.

    Now, what else is bugging you?

  3. #3
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    2,503

    Default

    No secret designations here - truck 10 is truck 10. I think fdny says it backwards and I would assume that the others who do are copying them.
    I am a complacent liability to the fire service

  4. #4
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Pacific Northwest
    Posts
    517

    Default

    Something of tradition in some places.

    IIRC, as an example, the official FDNY names for units are Engine 20, Ladder 30, etc. In the houses and on the job, they are 20 Engine and 30 Truck.

    I lived in Duluth MN for a while. All engines and ladders are referred to by number first. 1 Engine, 2 Engine, etc. They have three ladders, but on the radio they are 1 Tower, 4 Quint and 8 Truck. Only the rescue (Rescue 1), duty chief (Squad 251) and peripheral/staff units are otherwise.

    Everyone has their own way, and there is not always an explainable reason except that it has always been that way - or as a result of some Chief along the way who wanted to leave his/her "mark".
    Last edited by ElectricHoser; 10-25-2007 at 04:25 PM.
    You only have to be stupid once to be dead permanently
    IACOJ Power Company Liason
    When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution
    and is willing to take command. Very often, that individual is crazy. - Dave Barry.

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    In my house
    Posts
    2,332

    Default

    NIMS is working to fix that

  6. #6
    makes good girls go bad BLSboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    On the beach, Fla/OCNJ
    Posts
    2,859

    Default

    It all depends on where you are.

    Where I am, I am the only one who says "five six Engine", or" five six Truck"
    From my previous dept in Jersey, we called our apparatus that way...."four seven engine", or "47 Engine."

    Does it matter? No.
    Some people get all wound up over it.


    Hakuna Matata.
    AJ, MICP, FireMedic
    Member, IACOJ.
    FTM-PTB-EGH-DTRT-RFB-KTF
    This message has been made longer, in part from a grant from the You Are a Freaking Moron Foundation.

  7. #7
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Carrollton, TX
    Posts
    201

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FyreFyter View Post
    This may be a really dumb question, but it's been bugging me

    I've noticed that some departments display their truck companies as TRUCK 7 and others as 10 TRUCK. Is their any reason they are different?
    I always thought it was for the trucks that drove backwards to fires....


  8. #8
    Permanently Removed CALFFBOU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    6,520

    Default

    I always wondered this too.

    I think it really comes down to is- Someone thought of it, it stuck and its been like this ever since.

    Totally a stupid way of doing things.

  9. #9
    Let's talk fire trucks! BoxAlarm187's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    3,277

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU View Post
    Totally a stupid way of doing things.
    Why's it stupid? What's it hurting? Guess it's just another one of our "east coast" things.

  10. #10
    Forum Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    477

    Default

    It's pretty much slang from what I've seen.

    Totally a stupid way of doing things.
    Go climb a wooden ladder or something, will ya? Lol

  11. #11
    MembersZone Subscriber Dickey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2000
    Location
    Wisconsin
    Posts
    5,111

    Default

    Tradition.

    It was that way 100 years ago, and it will be that way for another 100 years. Just the way we do things. Don't question it, just do it.

    To each his own I guess, doesn't really hurt anything as long as everyone you mutual aid with knows whats going on.
    Jason Knecht
    Assistant Chief
    Altoona Fire Dept.
    Altoona, WI

    IACOJ - Director of Cheese and Whine
    http://www.cheddarvision.tv/
    EAT CHEESE OR DIE!!

  12. #12
    Forum Member nyckftbl's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    On a Hill, overlooking George's Kingdom
    Posts
    2,575

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    No secret designations here - truck 10 is truck 10. I think fdny says it backwards and I would assume that the others who do are copying them.
    You know...Ive been trying to think of something funny to say after your little backwards comment. Im at a loss. Damnit!
    Proud East Coast Traditionalist.

  13. #13
    Permanently Removed CALFFBOU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    6,520

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Why's it stupid? What's it hurting? Guess it's just another one of our "east coast" things.
    Nothing to do with East Coast, its done here in the Bay Area.

    Some people still say "10 Truck" or "5 Engine" just because its always been that way. Nothing to do with operations, ICS or clear text.

    Give me a good reason for it and I'll back it.

  14. #14
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Posts
    933

    Default

    What's really wrong with it?

    For instance
    You may say Engine 5 to dispatch .....etc.etc.etc....
    You could say 5 engine to dispatch....

    If you are on an airporrt and wanted to talk to someone you would open up with who you wanted first..such as

    O'Hare Tower this is flight 555..etc..

    Doesn't that seem backwards too???

    I really can't see how anyone could be bothered by this. If you call the public line at my firehouse, I may just say 2's, firehouse 2, hello....whatever.......as long as the point gets across.

  15. #15
    Let's talk fire trucks! BoxAlarm187's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    3,277

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU View Post
    Give me a good reason for it and I'll back it.
    'Fraid I don't have a good reason for it, it just doesn't seem to hurt anything. That's all.

  16. #16
    Forum Member DonSmithnotTMD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Fayetteville, N.C.
    Posts
    407

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ehs7554 View Post

    If you are on an airporrt and wanted to talk to someone you would open up with who you wanted first..such as

    O'Hare Tower this is flight 555..etc..

    Doesn't that seem backwards too???
    Actually that makes more sense to me
    I am a highly trained professional and can find my :: expletive deleted:: with either hand in various light conditions.

  17. #17
    Let's talk fire trucks! BoxAlarm187's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    3,277

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ehs7554 View Post
    If you are on an airporrt and wanted to talk to someone you would open up with who you wanted first..such as

    O'Hare Tower this is flight 555..etc..

    Doesn't that seem backwards too???
    Interestingly enough, a couple of the departments in my area (including my volly county) do this. "Dispatch from Engine 2" is standard communication for us.

  18. #18
    MembersZone Subscriber
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Posts
    933

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Interestingly enough, a couple of the departments in my area (including my volly county) do this. "Dispatch from Engine 2" is standard communication for us.
    I too have done this......Another thing I have done, should dispatch be busy, is just say my unit number ie:Quint 2 and wait for them to respond before I go on with my message.......

    Or maybe I will say "Number 2 Quint"

  19. #19
    Permanently Removed CALFFBOU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    CA
    Posts
    6,520

    Default

    To me, it makes a lot of difference. Communication in this job is very, very important.

    Can you imagine a Firefighter down and his/her broken or limited radio traffic is- "I am on 10... (blank)" Was that 10 truck or 10 Engine? I donít know.

    It comes back to just proper English. Do we say "Mr. Smith" or "Smith Mr."? Itís more of putting thing in a proper category.

    Please take another look at our very recent wildfires in California. Engines, patrols, BCs, dozers, helicopters and other various types of apparatus were sent here to assist in the conflagration. Classifying every piece of equipment by its "type" vs. # makes a world of difference.

    Can you imagine if 50 engines rolled into your incident and trying to log, track and assign all of this equipment by number first? It would be a headache. But if the IC says- "Give me 10 engines on the West side!" Then it would be easier. Chief was that 10 engines or unit 10 engine? You break the units down as needed via t-cards. All of the engines are red, trucks are orange, etc. Can you just imagine 1000+ vehciles or various types coming into your state and trying to track it my numner system first vs. its' type. You could get lost with 3412 engine, 4658 engine, 332 engine, 12 patrol, etc. Rather put them in to banks of type 1 engines, type 3, patrols, dozers.

    ICS overall is easier when you break things down into categories. Remember, we got this system and other tactics from the military. The military will use categories as well- Tanks, Humvees, and aircraft.

    Pretty much everything in life is by a category first, followed by this model #- Ford F-150, Chevy 1500, Sig Sauer P226, Glock 17, Pierce Arrow, Scott 4.5, etc...

    It just comes down to proper English and category. Tradition canít be the catch all for everything, or you'd never be reading my posting here on a computer screen. ie- "We donít need those fancy-smachy computers! Paper and pencil is tradition!!!"

    -Bou
    Last edited by CALFFBOU; 10-28-2007 at 02:21 PM.

  20. #20
    Forum Member snowball's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2000
    Location
    Just North of South Central
    Posts
    2,740

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    It all depends on where you are.

    Where I am, I am the only one who says "five six Engine", or" five six Truck"
    :
    Clearly this is against the rules as you are "freelancing" and those antics will not be tolerated!!
    IAFF

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. World Of Fire Report: 01-29-05
    By PaulBrown in forum World of Fire Daily Report
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 01-30-2005, 01:32 PM
  2. World Of Fire Report: 12-20-04
    By PaulBrown in forum World of Fire Daily Report
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-31-2004, 09:39 PM
  3. World Of Fire Report: 06-24-04
    By PaulBrown in forum World of Fire Daily Report
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-25-2004, 08:42 AM
  4. World Of Fire Report: 02-01-04
    By PaulBrown in forum World of Fire Daily Report
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-02-2004, 10:28 PM
  5. World Of Fire Report: 01-25-04
    By PaulBrown in forum World of Fire Daily Report
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 01-27-2004, 09:15 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts