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    Some time after the merger,the city began using engines as CFR-D's to assist EMS, primarily for high priority jobs. This results in a higher call volume, and justifies more FF positions. EMS units typically sit on street corners, referred to as their "89", to facilitate quicker response times, as opposed to being in a station, having to get out of bed, get dressed, fire up the rig, etc. I think that an EMS unit has to be responding in 30 seconds or less. Several years ago, EMS units in the 47 battalion shared a house with the firemen. I wasn't there, but I heard that they didn't get along to well, and were given the cold shoulder(the emt's). Again, neither side really wants to be a part of the other, and were perfectly happy seperate. To a degree, when I hear of firemen at FDNY referring to EMS as slugs, skells, and such, I can see where they're coming from. Some EMS workers are grossly overweight, don't take pride in their appearance, act "ghetto"(are ghetto), do the least amount of work possible, and interact poorly with patients and the public. Firemen don't want those type of people wearing a FDNY patch. The firemen mostly want to be just that, and emt's and medics want to do only EMS, as well. EMS didn't even have uniformed status until a couple of years ago. I would think that the Local 2507 would fight any integration. Over here in Fairfax County, many years ago, firefighters would ride the "penalty box" as a rookie, until a new rookie comes along. Medics were given the cold shoulder, and weren't even allowed to eat dinner with the others. Things are different now, and EMS is embraced, and treated seriously here.

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    Also, bear in mind, that in NY, the unions are very powerful, and a very good thing to have. It's vastly different in the south, where the local government can do whatever they want, with the attitude of "If you don't like it, then leave".This was painfully obvious when I worked briefly for Charleston County EMS, in SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNY73 View Post
    I have to make this big decision sometime in the next year.
    No, you have 10+ years to make this decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace View Post
    No, you have 10+ years to make this decision.
    No, I'm a Junior in HS right now and will be graduating next year. I have to decide then if I want to go to the Military, go to college, or go to college while in the military, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNY73 View Post
    No, I'm a Junior in HS right now and will be graduating next year. I have to decide then if I want to go to the Military, go to college, or go to college while in the military, etc.
    YOu can go to the military, then college. You can go to college then the military. You can go into the reserves during college. You have tons more time to decide these things than people are telling you. And if you decide the wrong thing you have tons more time to recover than you realize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    That is why I do not understand why they are still operating as separate entities rather than a fully integrated operation like in large cities such as Chicago, LA, Dallas, Phoenix and so on.
    It wouldn't be an improvement. Going back to FDNY and NY Health and Hospitals EMS would be an improvement. Short of that, pay and benefits parity, stations, and and end to the backdoor would be a start.

    There's never been a forced FD/EMS integration in a major city that's worked well. Look at DC, SF, Baltimore. All were separate systems, all were forced integrations with Fire as the leading agency, and all are currently very scary places to have a medical emergency. Even DC's EMS union president said people aren't safe there.

    Out of all the big-city fire/EMS agencies you mentioned, the only one actually doing it right is Seattle. They're probably the only big city, fire-based system that I would say can be talked about on the same level as Boston, Austin/Travis, Wake, etc. If other fire departments followed Seattle's led I could get behind fire as a valid EMS provider, but as it is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by falcon View Post
    While employed with EMS you will be given the opportunity to take a promotional exam as opposed to the standard FD test. Why wait countless years for the chance of possibly getting called for the job just so you can say you did it the traditional way.

    The job is driven on who you know. Should we tell every son of a chief that they have no right using there hook to get into a busy house? How many kids have been hired just because they have connections when in reality they should never have even passed the background investigation? Theres a saying that "nice guys finish last".

    Although it is admirable that guys would skip the promotion opportunity just so they can get hired the traditional way but dont forget this is your career your talking about. Why would anyone pass up a career just so they could say they went the old school way in getting hired and thats if they do get hired which the odds are against based on the number of slots and the numer of applicants.
    I agree ever one else can go and use " the back door way" if they choose its not cheating if any one could do it. I myself am looking into it because I am already 26 will be 27 in november and I the cutoff is 29 and I missed the last test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emt161 View Post
    There's never been a forced FD/EMS integration in a major city that's worked well. Look at DC, SF, Baltimore. All were separate systems, all were forced integrations with Fire as the leading agency, and all are currently very scary places to have a medical emergency. Even DC's EMS union president said people aren't safe there.
    You must have never been to south florida then. Most of the departments, if not all in the tri-county area are integrated (Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties).
    It works flawlessly and no one complains. Plus most of these departments are very well paid and respected in both the Fire and EMS divisions.

    And also, to get a job in south florida, you already have to be state certified as a firefighter and a paramedic (you can get the job without, but good luck).
    In a typical house you'll have two rescue trucks, one engine and one ladder. You have to bid for what truck/station you want on. If not, they put you where they need you. So you can be 2 years bouncing around stations from rscue to rescue, or engine one day and rescue the next, etc. It makes for a more versatile firefighter.

    Granted 90% of the calls in the tri-county are medical, but when there is a fire, there are firefighters. No one complains, everyone does their job and at the end of the day everyone sits and eats together.

    Now im not bashing any of the more traditional departments like the FDNY that are seperate, im just letting you know how it works (and yes it works) down here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDNY73 View Post
    No, I'm a Junior in HS right now and will be graduating next year. I have to decide then if I want to go to the Military, go to college, or go to college while in the military, etc.
    If i was your age, i would enlist in the military ASAP and get into firefighting. The Air Force has ARFF units and the Navy has Damage Control specialists who handle all sorts of emergencies on board ships. The training and expierience would be priceless, look great on your resume and when you got out in 4 years, you will have veteran status. That is worth i think about 5 points on the FDNY point system.

    At the same time, as others have said, while the FDNY is considered by many to be "the holy grail" of fire departments, there are still dozens of other big city departments that would be great choices. If i could walk onto any department? i would go for Chicago. It's a beautiful city, i love the weather and the history and tradition there is amazing. And this is coming from someone who lived in NY for 29 years!.

    Just don't get set on the FDNY because of the popularity thing. Pick a department that works best for you. NY is incredibly expensive to live in and you don't live in the city, be prepared to commute well over an hour to find an area where you can afford. Most of the FDNY guys i know live FAR outside the city.

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    Does any one know how often they offer the promotion test and when the next one is? I know this is prob the most rediculous question asked on here but I am curious of an estimation of the next FDNY test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deluge059 View Post
    You must have never been to south florida then. Most of the departments, if not all in the tri-county area are integrated (Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties). Plus most of these departments are very well paid and respected in both the Fire and EMS divisions.
    Says who? You?

    http://www.anesthesia-analgesia.org/...ract/109/2/489

    http://roguemedic.blogspot.com/2009/...tality_05.html

    Right out of their backyard. And that's just a start.

    Sure, integrated departments work great for the fire-medics, if pay and benefits are one's primary reason for being a paramedic. But how about the patients?

    It makes for a more versatile firefighter.
    That's nice. Does it make for better patient care? I'd say the science (you know, what MEDICINE is based on) isn't as convincing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    He wont answer, we asked him when he first made that post weeks ago.

    I love how people think they are entitled to a job because they put up with the EMS BS....pass the same test we passed, and you are entitled. weird.
    My apologies I did not have Forum access for some time after posting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    What the F*ck are you talking about? This does not happen in NYC. Educate yourself on how civil service hiring works and who administers exams in this city. You are extremely ignorant and still don't get it.

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    Thank you for not taking the time to simply "educate" me which I WOULD HAVE appreciated. I apologize for not being around to reply sooner. Unfortunately I was without forum access for quite some time.

    I am still curious as to whats so wrong with the promotional exam if you AREN'T some idiot and are willing to work HARDER to prove yourself on the job. What if your intentions aren't to find away around the civil service process? Believe me I understand the frustration that must be associated with some of the less desirable life forms taking the exam and getting the job but that does not mean everyone who takes the promotional exam is an idiot does it? I guess I look at it this way, if you are smart enough and willing to go the extra mile to prove yourself to the guys that it isn't all that bad to promote. So should you decide to speak to me in a civil manner I'd actually appreciate what you have to say.

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