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    Question Scott versus MSA SCBA's

    Does anyone have any pros/cons on the new 2007 Scott SCBA's or MSA SCBA's. Also 30-45-60 min bottles. We are in the process of looking at redoing our entire fleet of SCBA's and I am wondering if anyone has had any dealings with Scott/MSA and would like to share their experiences.


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    What SCBA units are you presently using? Past experience is a major factor in making a informed decision...

    of course, the "bean counters" will want you to go with the cheapest.. after all, they won't be wearing them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by macfiredaddy View Post
    Does anyone have any pros/cons on the new 2007 Scott SCBA's or MSA SCBA's. Also 30-45-60 min bottles. We are in the process of looking at redoing our entire fleet of SCBA's and I am wondering if anyone has had any dealings with Scott/MSA and would like to share their experiences.
    We're currently doing the same thing. Both Scott and MSA make excellent reliable (everyone makes a lemon here and there) units. One of the main factors should be "who can I get consistent excellent service from?". The other should be letting the members who wear them evaluate them and see which one they prefer. The bean counters as Chief Gonzo says may have a word or two to say about price, but as he say "they don't have to wear them"
    On bottles, what are the capabilities to have them refilled ? would an hour 4500psi bottle be hard to get refilled ? (large volume of Hi pressure air might be too much for your cascade system to fill more than a few bottles) What type of storage do you have ? do you have to revamp all your storage for the new bottles ? The longer duration bottles might mean a change in rehab policies (mandatory rehab after 1 45 or hour bottle instead of 2 30 min bottles).
    Finally what do your neighbors have ? (I'm assuming you're a small/midsized dept that does a resonable amount of mutual aid) would you be able to share bottles at a large incident ? or do you need to have piles of his hers and their bottles at an incident ?

    Just a few things to think about.

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    Currently wear MSA, but always loved Scott.

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    Scotts suck by MSA.
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    Msa's suck by Scott.
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    Just I little fun. We use and like our MSA's. However there is nothing wrong with Scott. We went from the belt mounted reg. 2216psi to mask mounted with the small 4500 psi bottle. Had to change all mounting brackets but that was easy. Either one you decide on will be fine. Hopefully it boils down to whichever the ff's want, not what money holders say.
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    Never used MSA. Our Scotts take a beating and work everytime.
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    You might look at Survivair Panthers as well. We changed all of ours out and like them.

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    Scott NXG packs w/ 45 min. bottles. They have been very reliable.

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    In my full time department I wear MSA, on my part time job we have SCOTT. I would take a SCOTT mask over MSA any day of the week.
    The Scott facepiece, harness and straps are built way better then MSA, As well as SCOTT has used the same mask mount since they came out with a mmr. MSA has gone through 4 changes (only two work with each other) sincew comming out with an MMR.
    The MSA shoulder straps have some crap cable running through them, a SCOTT is all solid web. What would you rather have while pulling your brother across the floor or up the stairs? We have had several MSA shoulder straps break (according to our SCBA guy) I am the SCOTT maintenance guy for my pt place and had no failures.
    SCOTT Makes a near bomb proof 1st stage that warns you when their is a problem. Their are two redundant 1st stages in a SCOTT and if one fails the vibra alert will go off even with a full tank to indicate a problem.
    No such system with MSA.
    SCOTT has a better PASS, one power source for all the new crap, and is overall just a better unit.

    I would switch my FT place over to SCOTT in a heartbeat if I could. Oh, also SCOTT will hold a repair class for your place for about $150. MSA doesn't want you working on their junk and the class is almost $1,100.

    So overall I'd say the arrows point to SCOTT.

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    I forgot to mention, When I started I used MSA and it wasn't untill several years into the job that I even saw a SCOTT. SCOTT won me over almost immediatly.

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    ADSNWFLD, I don't understand the one power source thing. To me it sounds impossible. How can one source provide power to the headsup display and transmitter, the voice amp, pass device, and redundant alarm. I'm not very familiar with the Scotts so I may be missing something. So yes I use MSA. The cable going thru the padded shoulder straps are stainless steel and very tuff. Also with the last generation of harness for MSA dragging by should straps should be a thing of the past. They have integrated drag handles, one on the top and one each side of the harness. And the last MSA class I took was free, however that was a couple of years ago.
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    Has Scott ever fixed there fogging issues? That was my only complaint with Scott packs. Other than that they are nice.

    We have MSA currently and I don't really mind them. We seem to have are fair share of problems with them but all in all they work well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdemarse View Post
    Has Scott ever fixed there fogging issues? That was my only complaint with Scott packs. Other than that they are nice.

    We have MSA currently and I don't really mind them. We seem to have are fair share of problems with them but all in all they work well.

    In the early to mid 90s, I was issued a Scott 4.5 face mask with a clear anti-fog liner on the inside. It worked perfect all the time. I could see the fogging around the unclovered edges of the mask.

    Another reason I am sold on Scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADSNWFLD View Post
    I would switch my FT place over to SCOTT in a heartbeat if I could. Oh, also SCOTT will hold a repair class for your place for about $150. MSA doesn't want you working on their junk and the class is almost $1,100.
    That's what I love about the internet....throw out BS and it becomes fact.

    We have brought an MSA employee in twice to teach four of our guys to be tech level.....and it hasn't cost me a dime. Perhaps you need a little better working relationship with you local distributor so they don't rip you off.

    Unless you are evaluating the brand new packs that are 2007 certified, you're wasting your time. All new models are built from the ground up, and not some worn-over bolted-on model. My agency is about to go out and buy 120 new SCBA's, and we are evaluating all of the brand new packs. While my agency has used MSA for almost 20 years we have kept an open mind in our evaluations....in my own personal opinion, they break down like this.

    Drager.....Sweet, but can I wear a bottle that looks like a giant Viagra pill?
    Scott......Nice Pack
    MSA.......Nice Pack
    Survivair....You better bring a truck cuz' this thing weighs a ton.

    Ultimately, don't decide by anything you read or hear. Get the sales rep in with some demos.

    One last thing...all of the above have met the certification requirements for NFPA except for Drager, which is pending.

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    I used scott packs in fire school and my dept uses MSA. I would take the Scott pack anyday over the MSAs. The Scott packs seem to be much easier to use in ALL situations. The MSA pack seems to have to many things that get in the way to me. We wanted Scott packs but as gonzo said the bean counters didnt approve since the MSAs were cheaper.

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    I would definitely give Drager a second look. In our evaluations, they came out way ahead of the others in features, and they were much more willing to throw in extras to get our business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdemarse View Post
    Has Scott ever fixed there fogging issues ?
    Has anyone? They all will fog up
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFDLT32 View Post
    Has anyone? They all will fog up
    That is one thing I do give MSA face pieces. I VERY rarely ever fog up.
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