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    Default Question for FDNY guys...

    Whats the difference between an engine and a squad?

    And if a fire broke out down the street from the squad's quarters would they function as an engine or a squad? And if as an engine, when the fire goes all hands or greater would another squad be called in from another borough?

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    Squads have 1st 2nd and 3rd due boxes. I think the exception is squad 1 they dont do something the other ones do, and I cant remember what it is, its probably not important anyway :-) They respond on a 10-75 for fire/hazmat depending on the box's location. In most cases the Squad will be assigned if the original squad is on the box and acting as an Engine. Squads are like little trucks, most of the guys in them never were assigned to a truck so they went there. They do Haz Mat as well as act as an Engine or a Truck depending on the Chief's needs. Mostly they act as a Truck. Most of them are very gentlemanly, some are not, the ones I encounter are always respectful, but I hear very different stories when you go out of the 1st 3rd 6th and 7th Divisions i.e. Manhattan and the Bronx.
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    Default Squad Company 1

    I believe Squad 1 only responds as a "Engine" on its first due boxes.
    On all other boxes it is dispatched as a "Squad".
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    So basically they are FDNY's equivalent of a quint just without the aerial ladder/platform?

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    No a quint has ground ladders, squads have a 24 portable and thats it, and its buried on the top of the rig, just there to give it the class 'a' pumper designation.

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    I meant in terms of being able to be used as almost any type of unit, of course no unit can ever carry every piece of equipment used by the fire service...well perhaps one could, but the weight of that vehicle would probably crush the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFW333 View Post
    of course no unit can ever carry every piece of equipment used by the fire service...
    Since when? We try and carry everything that we may ever need or want on any given scene. Or at least it seems like it.
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    Since when? We try and carry everything that we may ever need or want on any given scene. Or at least it seems like it.
    Are there any artists on here? Try making an image of what a vehicle would look like if it was all of these combined....


    Command Vehicle


    Engine Company


    Medic/Rehab Unit


    Truck Company


    HAZMAT Unit


    ARFF Vehicle


    ROFLMAO!!

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    Thread Hijack-

    Whats a mask service unit do? Is it like a cascade kind of thing?

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    Yeah, what he said too and what the heck is a RAC unit?? (rehab something im sure)
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    RAC = Recuperation and Care unit. Rehab basically.

    Mask Service Unit - Air bottle refills and I believe (as the name suggests) on site SCBA repair.

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    Ah, I have been elightened...........thank you much!!
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    MSU trucks only have cylinders and are staffed by light duty firemen, they dont do repairs or refill bottles. The RAC is basically an ambulance with a bunch of coolers of gatorade or water and in the summer cold wet towels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFW333 View Post
    Whats the difference between an engine and a squad?.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by E40FDNYL35 View Post
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    Wow 12%, really? Our squad guys only get 3%!

    Ours operate the same. They have 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th due box assignments but at the chiefs discretion can be replaced on the box to operate as a squad company. On typical fireground when operating as a squad they perform ladder company operations. When any fireground has 2 engines and 2 ladders in service they get a squad, RIT and medic unit. The squads also are disptched on mva with a report of people trapped, industrial accidents, haz mat, trench rescue, water rescues, basically any incident that might require the specialized equipment and know how to mitigate the incident.
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    In addition to the truck work at fires the squads are also trained in and respond collapse incidents (buildings, trenches...) Confirmed auto extrications (in certain areas) Surface water rescue, high angle incidents, man in machine, subway and railroad incidents (man under). They also respond as a Haz-Mat technician unit (thier original function in their 1998 ressurrection).
    Squad 1 has first due engine boxes only, because they respond to major incidents city-wide with the TRV. The other squads run first second and third due engine boxes in addition to the squad assignments.
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    Question General theme of the thread

    Okay, to go along with what appears to be the general them of this thread, what is a Sattelite truck? From the pictures I've seen, it looks like a foam truck, so why not call it a foam unit?
    Also, why is there special trucks designated for the FDR highway? It there a height limit on it?
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    A sattelite is basically a specialized rig with a lot of hose and alot of foam on it. It has a large diameter deckgun (5" barrel). It carries a water manifold to supply multiple handlines. The originals were part of the Super Pumper system (I think). It isnt called a foam unit, because that isnt all it does.....our "foam units" basically carry big tanks full of foam, and not much else.

    The FDR response vehicles basically carry a limited amount of truck company tools, and a Hurst Tool system. They are used because of weight concerns on the FDR Drive, which is pretty much one long bridge.
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    Old Satellite Photo:


    About half way down on the following link you will see a photo of one of the Satellites in operation.

    Satellite 6

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    MattyJ & FFFred, thank you for that information.
    So it is a weight restriction on the FDR, that explains the small trucks.
    I certainly remember seeing the video about that mess in Brooklyn last year, but those are some really good pictures. You could almost feel the heat coming through the screen. Yes, I saw the picture Satellite 6.
    If the Satellites were originally part of the Super Pumper system, that would make sense why it is called a satellite. A small truck, realativly speaking, next to a big truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdcook View Post
    MattyJ & FFFred, thank you for that information.
    So it is a weight restriction on the FDR, that explains the small trucks.
    I certainly remember seeing the video about that mess in Brooklyn last year, but those are some really good pictures. You could almost feel the heat coming through the screen. Yes, I saw the picture Satellite 6.
    If the Satellites were originally part of the Super Pumper system, that would make sense why it is called a satellite. A small truck, realativly speaking, next to a big truck.
    Well I think its a weight issue....but my company is on there on a routine basis, and its alot heavier than those things.

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