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    What sort of residency requirement do you have, if any?

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    Must line within 15 miles of the town, border to border.

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    Ohio abolished the residency at the state level. A bunch of major cities are still fighting this as home rule. We can live anywhere.
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    As long as you show up on your shift day, you can live anywhere you want to.

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    We abolished our residency requirement several years back.
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    No requirements here. We have people that live 100+ miles away from our county.

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    50 miles from the Central Fire Station and in the State

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    Civil service statute is 15 air miles border to border, but in our contract, it was amended to state that we could live anywhere. The Chief has the right to reinstitute the 15 mile radius, but it would only affect new hires effective the date of the reinstatement.

    In my area, it's the cost of housing that is the issue.

    Anyway, for the record.. I have never been asked where I live when I have responded to fires, mva's and medicals, so the point is moot.
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    I guess we're in the minority here in Illinois. I can't think of any FDs around that don't have some sort of requirement.

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    Required to establish 1 year of residency within city limits prior to employment and maintain residency within city limits for length of employment
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Civil service statute is 15 air miles border to border, but in our contract, it was amended to state that we could live anywhere. The Chief has the right to reinstitute the 15 mile radius, but it would only affect new hires effective the date of the reinstatement.

    In my area, it's the cost of housing that is the issue.

    Anyway, for the record.. I have never been asked where I live when I have responded to fires, mva's and medicals, so the point is moot.
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    Just so I understand it - you can live anywhere in MA, or period. For instance if you wanted to live in Rhode Island that would be alright?

    If so, sounds like something we should be fighting for.

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    Yes. we have one of our firefighters who lives in Vermont on his tours off. He stays with friends when he's on his 2 day 2 night rotation.

    If the 15 air mile radius is reinstated, those firefighters who have moved out of it would not be affected. Any new hire would have to live within the 15 air mile radius

    In my opinion.. as long as someone as shows up on time for their tours of duty.. who gives a fat rat's rump where they live?

    PS: how are you guys doing with getting the residency requirement overturned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Yes. we have one of our firefighters who lives in Vermont on his tours off. He stays with friends when he's on his 2 day 2 night rotation.

    If the 15 air mile radius is reinstated, those firefighters who have moved out of it would not be affected. Any new hire would have to live within the 15 air mile radius

    In my opinion.. as long as someone as shows up on time for their tours of duty.. who gives a fat rat's rump where they live?

    PS: how are you guys doing with getting the residency requirement overturned?
    Because the police got a 10 years and out clause in their contract we will as well. The bigger question is how far are we away from having a contract? The Local isn't saying much but my guess is that we're a long way away from what the city wants. We were in a nice bargaining position up until about a month ago (I'm sure you're familiar with what I'm referring to). We'll have to see what happens.

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    We have six months from date of appointment to get in the city. No questions, and for the most part extensions. Residency must be maintained thru out your employment.

    It can be tough to get in on time, as the first five out of six months is spent in the academy, five days per week, at 10-11 hours per day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    We have six months from date of appointment to get in the city. No questions, and for the most part extensions. Residency must be maintained thru out your employment.

    It can be tough to get in on time, as the first five out of six months is spent in the academy, five days per week, at 10-11 hours per day.
    Brother Jasper.. are all city employees, from City Hall, the Teachers, DPW, Police et al tequired to have residency in the city to work? If not, it could make for an interesting lawsuit....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Brother Jasper.. are all city employees, from City Hall, the Teachers, DPW, Police et al tequired to have residency in the city to work? If not, it could make for an interesting lawsuit....

    Yes, the rule is in effect for all employees, including teachers.

    Interesting thing about it though, is that prior to 1979, teachers had no residency rule. For some reason, the teachers are not considered to be 'city employees', like DPW, police, or fire are. It is actual language in the teachers CBA, whereas it isn't for 'city employees. The residency clause is written into the city charter, so the city labor negotiator won't even address residency, or acknowledge it in any kind of talks.

    The teachers right now are trying to get the residency out of their agreement . Their big gripe is that MPS is struggling because quality teachers don't even apply with them, due to residency.
    If they do manage to remove the language from their CBA, maybe we'll have a shot.

    It's still a pretty damn good job, even if I have to live in the city.

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    We must live in the 5 boroughs, FLIDville (Long Island), or 4 or 5 (I cant remember which) counties north of the city.
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    No residency requirement for my city in Northern CA. We have a few who live over 100 miles away, including a guy who lives in Oregon, almost 400 miles away. One of our neighboring departments has one or two guys who live in Hawaii.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    We must live in the 5 boroughs, FLIDville (Long Island), or 4 or 5 (I cant remember which) counties north of the city.
    FLIDville?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    FLIDville?
    Check your pms.


    Its just a little dig at the Long Islanders on the job.
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    You have 6 months from hire to live within 30 minutes from Station 1.

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    Just adopted, everyone hired after Sept 1, 2007 must take up residency with-in 45 mile radius of our central station.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewOnFire View Post
    Just adopted, everyone hired after Sept 1, 2007 must take up residency with-in 45 mile radius of our central station.
    Austin, TX FD implemented that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    Yes, the rule is in effect for all employees, including teachers.

    Interesting thing about it though, is that prior to 1979, teachers had no residency rule. For some reason, the teachers are not considered to be 'city employees', like DPW, police, or fire are. It is actual language in the teachers CBA, whereas it isn't for 'city employees. The residency clause is written into the city charter, so the city labor negotiator won't even address residency, or acknowledge it in any kind of talks.

    The teachers right now are trying to get the residency out of their agreement . Their big gripe is that MPS is struggling because quality teachers don't even apply with them, due to residency.
    If they do manage to remove the language from their CBA, maybe we'll have a shot.

    It's still a pretty damn good job, even if I have to live in the city.
    Teachers are often considered as seperate from city and county employees when the school board, and not the city/county board/council holds authority over them and there retirement is taken care of by the state rather than the local government.

    We have no residency requirement. Sometimes I wish we did for the mear fact that I am often disgusted with some of the crap that comes out of the guys mouth about the residents of the community. It is almost reverse snobbery. We have a lot of guys that live two or even three states away so that they can live on large plots of land and/or in larger houses, and a few just so they can continue living with mom and dad. No respect for those of us living here who's taxes allow for relatively generous salarys. Sure it is not as large as some of the white collar professionals we protect, but a starting firefighter here makes almost double what a recent college grad in the area does.

    While I oppose residency requirements on the freedom to do what you want to do as an American and the fact this is an expensive urban fringe area, I feel a little bit of support for them on the grounds of being part of the community you serve. It is nice that the county has insured that there is affordable housing reserved for purchase by junior county employees (those folks making under $65K last year) in all new residential development, and it is really great that so many of the young guys are taking advantage of it and making the department a little more local like the old days.
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