Considering a job in Spain READ THIS!!
I have deleted my original thread, as this has turned into a ****ing contest. My intention was to inform those considering jobs at Moron of the situations they would encounter. It was not to degrade the firefighters, or their abilities. The issues I mentioned have been on-going for years. Some can be solved, some can't. I hope one day a solution is reached that is agreeable for both management and the firefighters. I wish both sides the best of luck finding this solution.
Firefly please delete my quote in your reply.
more lies about moron air base fire department
this gay is a lier.
I am a firefighter of moron air base and the things are not like that.
The Spanish workers are ruled by Spanish laws.In Spain the workers has rights.The firefighters are spanish national contracted by a Spanish company and under Spanish laws.
The Spanish always have had very good relations with the Americans (included the chiefs).We think that the problems are between the Americans since those who have come and retired is for the money, For feeling cheated in his contracting.
We are a professional department that has always had a very good reputation around the world, and We will not allow because of someone who does not really know how to do their job Have bad reputation.
so Not to listen to this person, who is a liar and ask directly to moron firefighters.
Thank you for your attention, and if they have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Moron Air Base Fire Department
First of all apologize for putting "gay" instead of "guy" has been a problem with language...my most sincere apologies.
The second thing is to thank "lostintrav" for having the courage to defend the spanish firefighters and say things as they really are.
Just to say that the spanish firefighters never in the department history have had an strike.The trouble of those days was because of a certification problem. The firefighters should have never been held responsable for this because it was the training officer responsability.The spanish firefighters have never refused to do any courses to obtain certifications. " if you donīt know ,you canīt be held responsible for something like this ." This is why ten firefighters were riped out of their positions and the real reason the military personnel had to be sent to Moron Air Base.
Thanks for the support recived and hope to see you guys soon.
P.D. but just for vacation,hahaha
Clarification of comments
Obviously this thread has stirred emotions as I thought it would.
The intent was to make sure individuals considering jobs at Moron understood what they were getting themselves into.
If you look at my thread closely, you'll notice I never said the firefighters there were incompetent, or bad people. There are a lot of good people at Moron and the potential is there to have a great department.
Most of the programs hose, ropes, vehicle etc can be brought up to speed if everyone puts forth the effort.
Manpower issues are the biggest concern. When you struggle to keep 16 on duty out of 25 per shift this causes management problems. Overtime is paid to make up the shortfalls in manning sometimes reaching levels of 60%. This was the basis of the my comment "unreliable work force". A "reliable work force" is one that is available for duty and ready to respond at a moments notice.
Many problems we faced were due to labor disputes that have been on-going for years. One day an agreement will be reached and both the Americans and Spanish Nationals will function as one cohesive team.
One thing I would like to make clear...I am a firefighter and I know exactly how a fire department should function. As for the brotherhood comment...The last time I looked "firefighters did not threaten firefighters" either.
You see, I too will not run. For every issue mentioned in my original thread there are facts and documentation to back it up.
Departamento de Bomberos de Moron
Vaya falta de respeto por parte de Nighttrain hacia sus hermanos bomberos de Moron, eso ocurre cuando uno viene de un ambiente excesivamente militar y encuentra con que tiene que lidiar con personal civil, con derechos civiles y protegidos por leyes que evitan el sometimiento del personal a ser explotados por ninguna compaņia privada. Me parece muy vergonzoso cargar las tintas contra los compaņeros cuando el problema es basicamente de estructuracion y por lo tanto la responsabilidad recae sobre la empresa contratada para prestar los servicios a las fuerzas aereas.
Mi impresion es que este Nighttrain se ha equivocado en el planteamiento desde el principio, posiblemente viniera a Moron con un concepto erroneo de lo que supone trabajar entre civiles, como lo es ahora el, y en un pais europeo donde los derechos de los trabajadores a no ser explotados priman sobre cualquier concepto de sometimiento disciplinario militar.
Por mi parte me siento orgulloso de mi trabajo en bomberos y de la mision que desempeņamos, pero sobre todo, lo que mas feliz me hace es compartir esta profesion con todos mis compaņeros, abnegados trabajadores, que han sabido dar mas del 120 por cien de su tiempo a una causa que no siempre les ha sabido devolver el gesto, el esfuerzo y la dedicacion.
Aqui siempre recibiremos con agrado y ganas de ayudar y cooperar a todos aquellos que quieran incorporarse ya sean nacionales como extrangeros, con una condicion: conocimiento y respeto a los derechos de los trabajadores, los explotadores ignorantes no son bien recibidos ni seran tolerados.
Un cordial saludo y esperamos veros por aqui muy pronto.
Get yourself together... Never wimp out!!!!
I spent 2 years in Moron Air Base working as AC for Ops. The best 2 years in my 18 years as a career firefighter. When I first got there, I knew their were cultural differences and things that I needed to understand from the locals to have a great working experience. Once you get to know the firefighters at Moron Air Base, you know you have great friends for life. This is a hard working group of men, dedicated to there job and family. During the 2 years that I spent in Moron Air Base, all the Air Force QA Inspections had excellent ratings. All programs were being inspected by the Air Force on a monthly basis, and they were always found to be in compliance of NFPA standards and Air Force instructions. I remember when I got to Moron Air Base, telling the firefighters in my shift that I wasn't there to change things, I was there to make things work and that I needed there help to do it, and that they could expect my help to make there job more enjoyable. And that was exactly what happened, we worked as a team to get the job done. I did not impose myself, and they respected my position and myself as I did them.
If anyone decides to go to Moron Air Base, make sure you go with the attitude to get the job done and work together with this guys. Don't go thinking you are there to change the world or demonstrate others who you are. If something needs to be fixed, do it. If it ain't broke, don't change it. Learn about the local laws and how they affect the department. These firefighters can teach you one or two things, don't go with a "I know it all" attitude. Learn from them and they will learn from you.
To my friends in Moron Air Base Fire Department, don't get hang up by the comments of those who never gave themselves a chance to know you and work with you. You guys are the best.