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    Default Bar in the firehouse???

    Is it not 2007? This is why departments should go all career as soon as possible! When will people learn that the firehouse is no different from a doctor's office or any other professional business. Would you go to a dentist if he had a bar in the lobby? Would you trust your lawyer if he was hanging around his office at night throwing down booze?

    Christ sakes, this kind of "good 'ol boys" crap makes all of us look bad.

    http://cms.firehouse.com/content/art...6&sectionId=46

    When will people learn that the firehouse is not a social club that you join just so you can drink beer, act like a fireman, and put a ton of fire stickers and flashing lights on your truck (which should ONLY be on firetrucks...but that's a whole other thread).

    Okay.....I feel better. Thanks for the rant. I have been reading this board for some time now and I finally could not take it anymore.

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    In before the lock!
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    Quote Originally Posted by careerfirecapt View Post
    This is why departments should go all career as soon as possible!
    Oh please, don't turn this into a vollie/career debate.

    I am not speaking for everyone, but I cannot think of any volunteers I have known - NONE of them - who would defend this agency's actions regarding the bar. This is not a career/volunteer issue, it is a stupidity issue. The presence of a paycheck does not define where stupidity happens.

    And yeah, so there's no doubt... a bar?? In the freakin' firehouse??? I am speechless....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post


    In before the lock!
    LOL... that's funny.

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    In retrospect, Gonz, I have no idea why I bothered to put up a serious response.
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    Oh lord... here we go again.....

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    I think what you mean is...

    "SERENITY NOW!"

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    Default Bar in firehouse

    It's not a vollie / career debate - it is just another example of why departments should be career. There is really no debate - it's just a fact that this type of stuff is a lot less likely to occur in a professional environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by careerfirecapt View Post
    It's not a vollie / career debate - it is just another example of why departments should be career. There is really no debate - it's just a fact that this type of stuff is a lot less likely to occur in a professional environment.
    Well.....

    And.....

    Nope... not worth it.... refraining
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    Quote Originally Posted by careerfirecapt View Post
    It's not a vollie / career debate - it is just another example of why departments should be career. There is really no debate - it's just a fact that this type of stuff is a lot less likely to occur in a professional environment.
    your right, because there have never been any reports of big city professional fire fighters being on drugs or having been drinking while working.....

    and for the record, the article mentions that the FH has a bar, but there is no mention from the police that the driver was drunk, only that the residents suspected it as a possibility (even though they have no proof to back up this suspicion).
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    Quote Originally Posted by careerfirecapt View Post
    It's not a vollie / career debate - it is just another example of why departments should be career. There is really no debate - it's just a fact that this type of stuff is a lot less likely to occur in a professional environment.
    I'd love to have a bar in my house!
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    Quote Originally Posted by careerfirecapt View Post
    It's not a vollie / career debate - it is just another example of why departments should be career. There is really no debate - it's just a fact that this type of stuff is a lot less likely to occur in a professional environment.
    God I love when a guy's first couple of posts show what a complete jag off he is. It eliminates wondering what type of person a new poster is and then later being surprised when they post something as ignorant as this guy.

    I wish to thank this poster for making it obvious right away.

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    Yes, I guess it does make me a "jag off" - since I expressed my opinion regarding unprofessional firehouse behaviors. You are completely right. I've now seen the errors of my ways, and I will be scheduling a sit-down meeting with my Chief to discuss the installation of a wet-bar in each firehouse and changing the departments mission statement to "come on down, the beer is cold and the fire stickers are free"!

    And yes, I do know that drugs and alcohol exist in career departments (just like they do in any company) - what I was commenting on was the "social club departments".

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    Quote Originally Posted by careerfirecapt View Post
    Yes, I guess it does make me a "jag off" - since I expressed my opinion regarding unprofessional firehouse behaviors. You are completely right. I've now seen the errors of my ways, and I will be scheduling a sit-down meeting with my Chief to discuss the installation of a wet-bar in each firehouse and changing the departments mission statement to "come on down, the beer is cold and the fire stickers are free"!

    And yes, I do know that drugs and alcohol exist in career departments (just like they do in any company) - what I was commenting on was the "social club departments".

    Respectfully,

    Mr. Jagger Offenmeir
    Look, play the innocent, poor wounded, misubderstood little man if you wish but your post was nothing more than an attempt to enflame and widen the division between paid and volunteer firefighters.

    Until you can definitivelly show that not any, and I mean ZERO, paid firefighters are drinking or drugging on the job your reasoning for making all FD's career is frankly idiotic.

    You aren't a jag off for your opinion that booze shouldn't be in the firehouse, you are a jagoff because of your stretch that all FD's should be career because of your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    I'd love to have a bar in my house!
    What is a bar, really?

    Is it not a spirit rather than a specific place or thing? How often have you had a wonderful time consuming adult beverages off the back of your tailgate or trunk? How many times have you had a wonderful time sitting on your deck, or your garage, with good friends, plentiful food and icy cold ones? Should we not give thanks this holiday season for our good fortune?

    That means that you can have a bar anywhere you want! So, in essence, you already have a bar in your fire house. All you need to do is provide the essential elements; good friends (should already be there), good food (should already be there) and icy cold ones (use your imagination).

    Oh yeah, one more thing. You need to get out the yellow tape and establish a "jagoff free zone".

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    You aren't a jag off for your opinion that booze shouldn't be in the firehouse, you are a jagoff because of your stretch that all FD's should be career because of your opinion.
    Don't forget the troll alert. First three posts used for this crap? Please.
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    My grandmother, daughter of the fire chief, sister of the fire captain, God rest her soul, asked my almost daily why our fire house did not have Bar like her dad's and brother's.
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    LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

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