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    Hello everyone,

    I stumbled upon this awesome website as I started my research. I have a few questions for now but I'm sure I will have more later. I will try and keep it short.

    I have been wanting to become a firefighter in Orlando, either OFD or OCFD but I'm not sure where to begin. First off, I am currently on Temporary Duty with the Air Force as a Medic. I have been a medic for about a year now. I came in to get my educational benefits and most importantly, my EMT cert and experience. Definitely lots of experience especially in nursing and the ER and ambulance runs. I am a reservist but have been given the training and experience to match that of my active duty counterparts. Anyway, I am a NREMT cert.

    Do I need my Fl cert and take the test?

    Will I need to go to the fire academy first before applying?

    Does being military hurt at all since I have to leave 1 weekend a month?

    Are there any paid training positions?

    Is OFD better than OCFD to work for?

    I know this is a lot of questions but I am excited to get on the path and am willing to do whatever i need to get there.

    Thanks for all your help, the site has been great thus far.
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    Gerald, both departments have a non-certified program so you do not need to go to the fire academy for those programs. However both are competitive to get in to. Check in to the City and County web sites for more information.

    Both hire certified firefighters so the academy is a good way to go, this will also open the door to other fire departments. BCC has a Fire Standards Program.

    Most governments understand military commitments and will work with you.

    You might want to check with Brevard County Fire, they have in the past hired medics and sent them through fire standards that might save you a step or two.

    Both are solid departments as far as who is the better department, I am very partial I work for Orlando, OFD!

    Good luck
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    Rob,

    Thanks for the response. It is very helpful. I am definitely looking into it. My goal from even before entering the military was to become a firefighter while I am a reservist. Hence, the reason for joining to get my NREMT-B and lots of experience. My main concern is benefits, positions open, certs required before hire, and actual engine time as opposed to just being on the transports. I am about to turn 30 and need to decide on my path to getting there before I am done with my current active duty orders in April 08 because I do have a family to take care of. The military has been great in helping me do just that.

    Is salary completely different for the two departments? How long is the hiring process from application to start date? Do you get paid more if you go get your standards first then apply or do the non-cert program. How does scheduling work for the departments? 24/48 throughout the whole month?

    Thanks again for all the help.

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    Rob,

    Thank you for your informative reply. I did have a couple of other questions but I guess my reply disappeared or hasn't been approved yet. I will post those other questions later today, I work 12 hour shifts at overnight in the ER so I'm tired at the moment but I'm sure you fellas can easily handle that compared to the 24 hr. shifts. One quick question: Who pays better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gafavis View Post
    Rob,

    Thank you for your informative reply. I did have a couple of other questions but I guess my reply disappeared or hasn't been approved yet. I will post those other questions later today, I work 12 hour shifts at overnight in the ER so I'm tired at the moment but I'm sure you fellas can easily handle that compared to the 24 hr. shifts. One quick question: Who pays better?

    Gerald
    i work for orange county. orlando has better pay w/ a better contract. orlando has kelly days, we don't. orlando has a strong union, we don't. we have not had a contract/raise in over 2 years. orlando pays into their retirement(i think 6 %) we are in frs (we dont pay) the winner ORLANDO!!!!!!
    our county commissioners **** on us. if given the choice go with orlando, they are a fine fire department.

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    Gerald, I think Gigafire, covered the bases pretty well, although he did forget to mention we are an ISO Class 1 Department.

    If you want some spicifics send me a private message.

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    Gigafire,

    thanks for the info. Very helpful. I am very impressed with OFD. I'm sure though that I would be proud to serve with either OCFD or OFD but with hopes to get in with OFD. Gigafire and Rob, is there a non-certified program in OFD just like OCFD has? Or do I have to have my minimum standards before I can even think about applying with OFD? Thanks again for all your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gafavis View Post
    Gigafire,

    thanks for the info. Very helpful. I am very impressed with OFD. I'm sure though that I would be proud to serve with either OCFD or OFD but with hopes to get in with OFD. Gigafire and Rob, is there a non-certified program in OFD just like OCFD has? Or do I have to have my minimum standards before I can even think about applying with OFD? Thanks again for all your help.

    Gerald
    You must have your minimum standards/EMT to apply w/ Orlando. Congrats to Orlando on the ISO rating, keep up the good work.

    P.S.- OCFD has an in-house Paramedic program. You do all of your training while on shift and get paid during your hospital clinicals. Alot of people take advantage of that and then go work for a Fire Department that pays a LIVABLE WAGE. With that said, our Paramedic program puts out terrible Medics, but you WILL get your patch. Orange County has ruined its FD and we have become a training stepping stone for firefighters who want to make more than $11.00 per hour. Good luck to you Davis.

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    Orlando does have a non-cert program BUT it is usually kept VERY QUIET until after the deadline. We found out about the last one the morning of the application deadline. Going to standards and having your EMT prior to coming to Orlando is the easiest way, not that OFD's process is easy but the non-cert program is competitive.

    Good Luck

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    getting on with OFD without experience? good luck......

    Sorry if that sounds harsh, but the reality is, i know very few people, if any off the top of my head, that have been hired by the Big O without experience...To those of you that get on without experience, you are some of the luckiest people in the fire service in my opinion....I heard through the grapevine on this last hiring, there were like 3-5 people maybe that didn't have experience....

    I've seen a couple of those guys who were lucky enough to get in on the non certified program doing clinicals for EMT school up at florida hospital south (orlando). They act like its no big deal that they got on that way...i wanna slap them in the face haha... They just do not realize how competitive it is and how incredibly lucky they are to be set for life with one of the most sought after departments in the south in my opinion. call it jealousy, but i have a hard time with that....oh well, I'm determined, I'll get on one day...

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    EDIT: Just making sure the original poster understands what I mean. Experience meaning, having worked for another department before for some time, not as in going to standards in EMT school....

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    Thanks again for all the replies, I want to make sure you guys know that I do not think this will be an easy task to get signed on to either departments. I am looking for a path to take so I don't look like an *** when I apply. I also not only want to get on with a good FD but I also want to be with one that I hopefully will stay with for a long while. I did not mean for anyone to think that I'm saying I will apply and get on because I know I am far down the list once I do get on a list. I do appreciate all the replies and have decided to go to the academy and get my standards since I am an EMT already, then apply with OFD. I will however put in an interest card from the beginning. Wouldn't hurt I'm sure. Where is it best to get my standards in Orlando? I live on the east side and I work at Patrick AFB in Melbourne. Thanks again for all the suggestions and replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gafavis View Post
    Hello everyone,

    I stumbled upon this awesome website as I started my research. I have a few questions for now but I'm sure I will have more later. I will try and keep it short.

    I have been wanting to become a firefighter in Orlando, either OFD or OCFD but I'm not sure where to begin. First off, I am currently on Temporary Duty with the Air Force as a Medic. I have been a medic for about a year now. I came in to get my educational benefits and most importantly, my EMT cert and experience. Definitely lots of experience especially in nursing and the ER and ambulance runs. I am a reservist but have been given the training and experience to match that of my active duty counterparts. Anyway, I am a NREMT cert.

    Do I need my Fl cert and take the test? FireI/II are pretty much the norm. BCC and FMTI offer the courses. Although FMTI is more expensive, I prefer their instructors, and their academy

    Will I need to go to the fire academy first before applying? See above

    Does being military hurt at all since I have to leave 1 weekend a month? NO! You can NOT be discrminated against for you military position.

    Are there any paid training positions?As in they pay you to go through the academy? Rare.

    Is OFD better than OCFD to work for?OFD. They are a Northeastern Dept trapped in Central Fla.

    I know this is a lot of questions but I am excited to get on the path and am willing to do whatever i need to get there.

    Thanks for all your help, the site has been great thus far.

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    Gerald, take a ride down the road to Indian Harbour Beach, 1116 Pinetree Dr. Thursday nights are best since thats when we train. We will train you to FF I. You are on your own for FFII. PM me or email me if you are interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gafavis View Post
    Thanks again for all the replies, I want to make sure you guys know that I do not think this will be an easy task to get signed on to either departments. I am looking for a path to take so I don't look like an *** when I apply. I also not only want to get on with a good FD but I also want to be with one that I hopefully will stay with for a long while. I did not mean for anyone to think that I'm saying I will apply and get on because I know I am far down the list once I do get on a list. I do appreciate all the replies and have decided to go to the academy and get my standards since I am an EMT already, then apply with OFD. I will however put in an interest card from the beginning. Wouldn't hurt I'm sure. Where is it best to get my standards in Orlando? I live on the east side and I work at Patrick AFB in Melbourne. Thanks again for all the suggestions and replies.
    If you live in Brevard County try BCC, they have a good standards program. If you are on the East side of Orlando depending on where you want to go try either Seminole Community College or Central Florida Fire Academy.

    The web sites are

    http://www.brevard.cc.fl.us/

    http://www.scc-fl.edu/fire/firefighter.html

    http://fireacademy.org/

    The advantage to the College programs is you get college credit, if you are looking to further your education down the road this might help.

    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigafire View Post
    You must have your minimum standards/EMT to apply w/ Orlando. Congrats to Orlando on the ISO rating, keep up the good work.

    P.S.- OCFD has an in-house Paramedic program. You do all of your training while on shift and get paid during your hospital clinicals. Alot of people take advantage of that and then go work for a Fire Department that pays a LIVABLE WAGE. With that said, our Paramedic program puts out terrible Medics, but you WILL get your patch. Orange County has ruined its FD and we have become a training stepping stone for firefighters who want to make more than $11.00 per hour. Good luck to you Davis.
    Hi gigafire
    We've exchanged a few emails on another thread on this website last summer with regard to OCFRD. I am scheduled to take the written test this monday, december 3rd. I am excited but I am also concerned about one of my certs. Technically, I am "certified". I have my FL min. standards and I just passed my NREMT exam two weeks ago I and just received my NREMT cert in the mail. I am still waiting for my FL. EMT license. Will I be able to talk them into letting me test while I waiting for my FL. EMT license? I recalled your situation was different...you orginally went in as "non-cert" candidate and ended up in the "certified" hire group after providing them your NREMT score.

    I hope you can reply very soon before my test on Monday. Thanks. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dell205 View Post
    Hi gigafire
    We've exchanged a few emails on another thread on this website last summer with regard to OCFRD. I am scheduled to take the written test this monday, december 3rd. I am excited but I am also concerned about one of my certs. Technically, I am "certified". I have my FL min. standards and I just passed my NREMT exam two weeks ago I and just received my NREMT cert in the mail. I am still waiting for my FL. EMT license. Will I be able to talk them into letting me test while I waiting for my FL. EMT license? I recalled your situation was different...you orginally went in as "non-cert" candidate and ended up in the "certified" hire group after providing them your NREMT score.

    I hope you can reply very soon before my test on Monday. Thanks. :-)
    Yo dude. Check it. http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/irm00praes/praslist.asp
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    Yo dude. Check it. http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/irm00praes/praslist.asp
    Memorize your EMT #, and let them know it. It takes 2-3 weeks to get your Fla EMT card.
    BLSboy,
    Thanks for providing me the link. I checked it out and nothing yet. Yeah, I was told it takes the state 2 to 3 weeks. As of today, it has been only two weeks, I guess I have one more week to go.

    I just hope OCFRD will understand my situation and still let me take their written exam on monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dell205 View Post
    BLSboy,
    Thanks for providing me the link. I checked it out and nothing yet. Yeah, I was told it takes the state 2 to 3 weeks. As of today, it has been only two weeks, I guess I have one more week to go.

    I just hope OCFRD will understand my situation and still let me take their written exam on monday.
    Are you sure you took it for Florida then? I just took mine less then a month ago, I am a NJ EMT, and took it for reciprocity. I passed it, got the notification form NREMT, but I didn't get NREMT credit, just Fla. If that makes an sense.

    Its early, and I had a late night. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dell205 View Post
    Hi gigafire
    We've exchanged a few emails on another thread on this website last summer with regard to OCFRD. I am scheduled to take the written test this monday, december 3rd. I am excited but I am also concerned about one of my certs. Technically, I am "certified". I have my FL min. standards and I just passed my NREMT exam two weeks ago I and just received my NREMT cert in the mail. I am still waiting for my FL. EMT license. Will I be able to talk them into letting me test while I waiting for my FL. EMT license? I recalled your situation was different...you orginally went in as "non-cert" candidate and ended up in the "certified" hire group after providing them your NREMT score.

    I hope you can reply very soon before my test on Monday. Thanks. :-)
    Hey Dell-
    Yea, besides what BLSBoy told you, I would call OCFRD and explain your situation. I am sure that they will work with you. Also, I know that I have been critical of Orange County but understand that it is the Administration that we have a beef with. They fight us every step of the way. We have an excellent FD with alot of good people. We need to work on our contract. Good luck bro and don't hesitate to seek me out for advice. I will do my best to steer you in the right direction. If i don't have an answer for you I will do my best to find out.

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    Dell, I trust you went on OCFRDs website and printed off the PT suggestions?
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    Dell -
    I just spoke to my Lt. who is in the hiring/training loop and he said that if you have proof that you past your nremt, than you will be fine. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigafire View Post
    Dell -
    I just spoke to my Lt. who is in the hiring/training loop and he said that if you have proof that you past your nremt, than you will be fine. Good luck.
    Gigafire
    Thanks for replying. I had my written exam yesterday. An OCFRD HR official gave the applicants an extra week to submit the applications. I was ready to hand mine in before the exam, but he appologized to us that they weren't clear (before the exam) on when submit them. A majority of us did have them.
    I don't want to name the OCFRD HR official, but he contradicts what your Lt. informed you to pass on to me about my NREMT cert. He told our group, ANY of the certs that is not in the application packet, they won't allow us move forward. Even if we recently passed an exam for certification. I believe you and your Lt., but I don't know why this HR official says otherwise.
    So to avoid any complications, I've decided to wait until the deadline (close as possible) to see if Florida EMT license comes in the mail. I'll be calling Tallahassee everyday if I have to. If not in by the end of the week, I will send in my applications with my NREMT cert., card and explain my situation with an attached note.
    Thanks again for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dell205 View Post
    Gigafire
    Thanks for replying. I had my written exam yesterday. An OCFRD HR official gave the applicants an extra week to submit the applications. I was ready to hand mine in before the exam, but he appologized to us that they weren't clear (before the exam) on when submit them. A majority of us did have them.
    I don't want to name the OCFRD HR official, but he contradicts what your Lt. informed you to pass on to me about my NREMT cert. He told our group, ANY of the certs that is not in the application packet, they won't allow us move forward. Even if we recently passed an exam for certification. I believe you and your Lt., but I don't know why this HR official says otherwise.
    So to avoid any complications, I've decided to wait until the deadline (close as possible) to see if Florida EMT license comes in the mail. I'll be calling Tallahassee everyday if I have to. If not in by the end of the week, I will send in my applications with my NREMT cert., card and explain my situation with an attached note.
    Thanks again for your help.
    Dell-

    I apologize for the contridicting information that your getting. I spoke with my Lt. again about what the HR rep told you and he made a few more phone calls. He was told that you must in fact have the actual certification to sit for the exam. Do you know of alot of other applicants that are in the same situation as you? If so, ALL of you should be calling HR and letting them know. Again I apologize (as does my Lt.) for the misinformation. Let me know how everything turns out bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigafire View Post
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    I apologize for the contridicting information that your getting. I spoke with my Lt. again about what the HR rep told you and he made a few more phone calls. He was told that you must in fact have the actual certification to sit for the exam. Do you know of alot of other applicants that are in the same situation as you? If so, ALL of you should be calling HR and letting them know. Again I apologize (as does my Lt.) for the misinformation. Let me know how everything turns out bro.
    Gigafire
    Again thanks for help me out.
    I don't know anyone else in the same boat as me. Before the exam began, he said, "I assume all of you have copies of your certificates, right?" Almost everyone replied "Yes". I couldn't tell in the room if anyone kept quiet fearing they they will be booted out.
    It seemed that "normally" they collect applications at the start of the exam. Like I said before, he admitted the error and extended everyone a week to turn in their applications.
    This HR official personally called me late October after the Non-cert recruits had their exam about the next Certified hiring to begin in November. I told him I had my FF 2 cert but no EMT. He told me to take the NREMT exam within the next 3 weeks before the hire ad is pulled on Nov. 19th. He didn't caution me about the state's turn around time in mailing me back my FL EMT license. I don't know if I can hold it against him.
    I will see as the week progresses. I'll keep my fingers crossed. By friday I may have to call HR and plea with them to allow me to stay in the certified hire class.

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    Dell, you can look up your EMT information on the state web page,

    https://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASLIST.ASP

    and print the page showing you have current liscensure, that might be good enough for OCFRD.

    Good Luck
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