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    Hi all,
    I'm currently in a college fire academy, I'm almost done. I had a Army recruiter call me today, and I set up a meeting. I really enjoy the para militaristic aspect of the fire service, so the military is appealing. Of course the recruiter promised that I'd be fighting fire, here in the states on base. I really doubt that. But, how hard is it to get a MOS21?? And if I was to get it, I understand that it's basic plus 13 weeks of fire training. Then where would I end up (any idea)?? Thank you in advance..

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    Are you going active duty or reserve? If you're active duty, it's a slim chance you'll be assigned to a fire department. More likely, an ordinance unit and you get to count ammo all day. If your commander is nice, they may detail you to the fire department. If you get lucky, you may wind up at a base that uses some 21M firefighters to augment the civilian fire department.

    If you are going USAR, you may wind up anywhere for a deployment. My old unit is currently headed to Central America. The last I talked to a recruiter (6 months ago) the Army was downsizing the active duty 21M and making this more of a guard/reserve MOS.

    UNDERSTAND THIS. When you join the Army, you are expected to be a soldier. You will do soldier things more often than fire things. Firefighting is something they let you do until they need you to do Army things. I prefered that. I liked the ability to be a soldier and do some fire stuff. I liked the ability to be my own "scene safety" when the situation required it. It came in very handy in a desert craphole I lived in for 14 months.

    If you think you're going to join the Army and stay in a firehouse and live like a civilian, you will be disapponted. I met quite a few firefighters (21M) who were pulling convoy escort in Iraq (these were active duty troops). I and a few others in my unit were assigned to assist with some civil affairs type stuff with the 4th ID.

    If you want to be in the military and play firefighter full time, join the Air Force.

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    I'm in the Air Force...its very difficult to become a Air Force firefighter, mainly because the demand is not high and a lot of people want the job.

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    Recruiters lie!!!!!!!!!! every thing he tells you needs to be in writing. no i am a navy man and have been to the advanced shipboard fire schools. but they never did land base fires. the AIR FORCE has "the best fire acadamy in the country".

    In the Army/Marines if you are needed as a grunt you will drop you fire hose and pick up a M16-M4 and fight on the front lines this is cool but not the fire fight you signed up for. plus with you fire sci schooling you could come out of boot camp in to tech school a E-3 or E-4 (make shore its in writing). maybe if you look in to it the Air force might give you resoprosity on you schooling and toy might skip ahead to the advanced part of you school.

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    I am a 21 m in the army. Its one of the hardest jobs to get in the army and it is not offered as active. Its only a reserve job. Unfortunately since it is so hard to get there is a small if any bonus. My recruiter had to tripple slot the job for me and even then it still took months to actually get the spot open. Also, 21m is only for non prior service. If you are prior service they won't take you.


    hope that helps

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    don't forget its the army. they might train you as a firefighter, but use you as infantry. if you are only interested in firefighter, go air force.

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    I am firefighter here at Fort Lewis Wa. For people to say that we don't ever work in the stations that is wrong. That the Army is getting rid of the MOS for active duty that is wrong. Why do you think that the Army gave us the T.F.F.T. and made 8 new firefighting detachments in 2005 That I know of, for active duty. Yes it is a hard MOS to get in right now because of it being over strength, and yes if you go to an ammo unit you made not do your MOS. But to say "never" that is wrong, Because the ammo unit here also has firefighters that work in the stations. If you are coming in just tell them 21M or nothing. Most 21M have to do at lease 5 years of service because of it being a low priority MOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUGS1688 View Post
    I'm in the Air Force...its very difficult to become a Air Force firefighter, mainly because the demand is not high and a lot of people want the job.
    this might be true for active duty, i don't know, however a spot opened up at my base within 2 months of me looking into it

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    forget about military or DOD firefighting, use your colledge education to get a civil service Firefighting job. Thats where the action is, you'll never get any real experience on a base or government facility. They are too regulated and in general the housekeeping is too good for any real hazards to exist. Study hard and test for a metro department, you'll be happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by appcap1 View Post
    forget about military or DOD firefighting, use your colledge education to get a civil service Firefighting job. What about the 10 vets points needed for the fierce competition in most major cities? Thats where the action is, you'll never get any real experience on a base or government facility. All depends on the base itself. For 6 years I worked at a large DoD installation with 4 engines, 2 trucks, a heavy squad, boats and brush trucks, and pulled an inch and three quarter on the average of once a week or so. That's not including the off-post mutual aid runs. They are too regulated and in general the housekeeping is too good for any real hazards to exist. Study hard and test for a metro department, you'll be happier. And with the 10 extra vets points on top of your high score, you will be elevated above the college boys who have no military experience.
    I sure hope appcap doesn't have a COLLEGE education!
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    The marines also have a crash crew and its not that hard to get into. before i enlisted i talked to the comptroler for the 7000 mos field (avation support) and he told me that if your asvab score is above 80 you would have no porblem getting this mos. but if you score lower you have more of a chance of getting stuck in a ordance mos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng3ine3022 View Post
    The marines also have a crash crew and its not that hard to get into. before i enlisted i talked to the comptroler for the 7000 mos field (avation support) and he told me that if your asvab score is above 80 you would have no porblem getting this mos. but if you score lower you have more of a chance of getting stuck in a ordance mos.
    It's more to do with numbers than ASVAB score, you actually have to have a higher GT score on the ASVAB to be Ordnance than Crash Fire. The Marine Corps has a greater need for Aviation Ordnance Technicians than fire fighters, think about all the aircraft in the Marine Corps. By the way Ordnance is a great MOS. IYAOYAS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcgregor View Post
    It's more to do with numbers than ASVAB score, you actually have to have a higher GT score on the ASVAB to be Ordnance than Crash Fire. The Marine Corps has a greater need for Aviation Ordnance Technicians than fire fighters, think about all the aircraft in the Marine Corps. By the way Ordnance is a great MOS. IYAOYAS!
    The GT score used to be about the same. Like you said it is about numbers, which really means timeing. If you join when there are a bunch of CFR/ARFF guys getting out, then you can get in real easy. If you want to go in when all the T.O.'s are filled with CFR/ARFF, then you are out of luck, or going to be waiting in the DEP for a while.
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