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    Default Changing from 9/15 shifts to 8 hour shifts

    Get this. We are currently in contract negotiations. Our proposals center around money, managements only proposal is that we switch from 9/15 hour shifts 4 and 4, to 8 hour shifts, 3 days, 3 evenings, 3 nights and 3 off. They said at the table that they "felt sorry for us having to work those 15 hour nights". Sounds like an arbitrator will make the decision. Anyone heard of anything similar for reference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLeB View Post
    Get this. We are currently in contract negotiations. Our proposals center around money, managements only proposal is that we switch from 9/15 hour shifts 4 and 4, to 8 hour shifts, 3 days, 3 evenings, 3 nights and 3 off. They said at the table that they "felt sorry for us having to work those 15 hour nights". Sounds like an arbitrator will make the decision. Anyone heard of anything similar for reference.
    So let me get this straight....You are going to work twelve 8-hour shifts straight and then have 3 days off?
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    That would be nine-8 hour shifts, but either was 9 days on and 3 off still doesn't sound too appealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLeB View Post
    managements only proposal is that we switch from 9/15 hour shifts 4 and 4, to 8 hour shifts, 3 days, 3 evenings, 3 nights and 3 off. They said at the table that they "felt sorry for us having to work those 15 hour nights".
    Do you have rest time during the overnight shift now? If so, is it part of the new proposal? If not, that schedule will seriously affect your lifestyle by disrupting normal sleep patterns. IIRC, either the IAFF or the IAFC recently released a study on how sleep deprivation affects health and performance.
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    I can describe the "managements" proposal in one word...

    Assinine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    I can describe the "managements" proposal in one word...

    Assinine.
    It definitely is an assinine proposal. FF's are not cops or factory workers. Have you done an analysis on the additional personnel needed for this proposal? My town floated a similar schedule a few years ago. It would have required hiring additional FF's to maintain the minimum staffing. Once that was presented by the union, the idea died the death it deserved.
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    My planning for this would include determining which 0300 drills would be the loudest and brightest and making sure I knew the correct addresses of the mayor and city council members.

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    Our wage proposal is close to 31% to bring us up to parity with our police force by 2012. This is managements way to try to get out of paying. They likely figure we will settle for a much lower increase if we can keep our current schedule. It is also an attack on us as many work second jobs. They said they were concerned with the amount of sick time being used currently. (Can't see it going up too much with the proposed shifts!) Yes we currently get to rest at night. They want to take that away. They feel that they can run with the same amount of firefighters they currenty do.

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    Instead of going for 8hr shifts go for the 24 hr shifts. our dept has thins for a sched

    24hr on
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    24hrs on
    5 days off.
    its a four platoon rotation works really well. a dept that neighbors us does something similar

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    4 group rotation.

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    We do not want 8 hour shifts! We will likely counter with 24's and likely will stay the same if we go to arbitration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLeB View Post
    Get this. We are currently in contract negotiations. Our proposals center around money, managements only proposal is that we switch from 9/15 hour shifts 4 and 4, to 8 hour shifts, 3 days, 3 evenings, 3 nights and 3 off. They said at the table that they "felt sorry for us having to work those 15 hour nights". Sounds like an arbitrator will make the decision. Anyone heard of anything similar for reference.

    There were a number of Depts in the US that did this...but only for a short time. Injury rates increased...sick leave increased....Overtime costs SKYROCKETED!

    Look to the Tri-data study that looked at Chicago a few years back...they cite most of the solid research on having firemen work 3-8s and 99% of the data points to this being an incredibly bad idea.

    If nothing else...call their bluff...they will implement it...driving costs up...more money in your paycheck...more time off for you guys on sick leave and they will have to change the system back...but by then your wage demands will be set in stone...and you will have your old schedual back.

    They want you in 24s probably as well....24s would be better for them than 8s or your current 15/9s...more money in their pockets and less in yours. Call their bluff and demand that any switch be to the 8s...it will blow up in their face and they will be beating down your locals presidents door to ask him to renegoitiate the terms of your work chart!

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    FFFRED Could you tell me where to find a copy of this report? I tried finding it without success. Thanks

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