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    Why cant FD tell you where u stand after the oral. I have went out of state and scored well on all phases of my test and I am on the list ?? Whats the problem with giving a number? I live in MI and all the FD in my area give a number of where u stand on there list. Is that just a MI thing ? Is there a legal issue or just how it is? Thanks on any info.

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    That stuff should be public records. I know in NYS you can go down to the Human Resources Department or whoever handles the hiring for a municipality and look up whatever civil service lists you want.

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    Default "Rule of the List"

    This is what's called "Rule of the List". Even though they know your score and where you could be ranked they run you into pools or bands and the Chief or the administration can select who they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    This is what's called "Rule of the List". Even though they know your score and where you could be ranked they run you into pools or bands and the Chief or the administration can select who they want.
    After they interview a group and they pick the ones that they want to hire and you were interviewed but not hired, but put in to one of the bands, what are the odds if they are passing over you to interview others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPARKYMN View Post
    After they interview a group and they pick the ones that they want to hire and you were interviewed but not hired, but put in to one of the bands, what are the odds if they are passing over you to interview others.
    They can pass over you anytime they want. If you're interviewed and not hired you could remain in the band and depending on the agency be interviewed again. Don't bank on it happening though. Once interviewed and passed you could be gone. Move on and keep testing. If you made it this far you probably can repeat it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFER55 View Post
    Why cant FD tell you where u stand after the oral. I have went out of state and scored well on all phases of my test and I am on the list ?? Whats the problem with giving a number? I live in MI and all the FD in my area give a number of where u stand on there list. Is that just a MI thing ? Is there a legal issue or just how it is? Thanks on any info.
    May B U didnt impress them to much in there interview.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    They can pass over you anytime they want. If you're interviewed and not hired you could remain in the band and depending on the agency be interviewed again. Don't bank on it happening though. Once interviewed and passed you could be gone. Move on and keep testing. If you made it this far you probably can repeat it again.
    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    They can pass over you anytime they want. If you're interviewed and not hired you could remain in the band and depending on the agency be interviewed again. Don't bank on it happening though. Once interviewed and passed you could be gone. Move on and keep testing. If you made it this far you probably can repeat it again.


    wow civil service is ****ed up in other parts of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nameless View Post
    wow civil service is ****ed up in other parts of the country.
    Coming soon to a department near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    They can pass over you anytime they want. If you're interviewed and not hired you could remain in the band and depending on the agency be interviewed again. Don't bank on it happening though. Once interviewed and passed you could be gone. Move on and keep testing. If you made it this far you probably can repeat it again.
    CaptBob,

    How often do departments pass on someone and then go back to them at a later time? What are your thoughts when a department does this? Positives/negatives?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPARKYMN View Post
    After they interview a group and they pick the ones that they want to hire and you were interviewed but not hired, but put in to one of the bands, what are the odds if they are passing over you to interview others.
    They're probably going to interview the people who haven't been interviewed yet before they considering hiring you again. If they can't find the right people from the new group, they may think about hiring people who were interviewed before and not hired. The reason you're kept eligible is to give the department "insurance" in case nobody else works out. I'm sorry say this, but that rarely happens. Captain Bob was right when he said that you should keep applying to other departments and that if you made it as far as you did in the process this time, then you can probably do it again.
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    Thumbs down Chief's 51% Rule!

    While a Committee or Civil Service Board is generally responsible for the interview and recommendations---it is becoming more popular in the Midwest that the Fire Chief retains 51% of the vote. No ranking of candidates---just recommendations done based upon notes taken and overall banding of the committee / board.

    This is called MANAGEMENT RIGHTS in the Midwest....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrow1994 View Post
    CaptBob,

    How often do departments pass on someone and then go back to them at a later time? What are your thoughts when a department does this? Positives/negatives? Thanks.
    It can happen like this. They will call 30 candidates in for interviews for 10 positions. They will select the 10 needed but allow more to go on with the hiring process knowing some will not pass the background, medical and up to 40% will fail the psych. Those that don’t make the cut but make it through the maze can be considered for a future hiring or not placed back in the pool.

    The most important thing here is those have learned to take a firefighter interview are making the cut. You're competing with them. I think this makes the point:

    Capt Bob, I just finished taking the oral interview with LA City and wanted to write a quick note.

    As you have said before oral board is the most important step in the process and the step that is least prepared for. Well I can support your statement. As I watched the recording of my score (reading upside down) I noticed 60's and 70's on the scores of those that interviewed before me. I would assume there were about 25 names on the sheet prior to mine. I made the cut. Thanks again for your help Rich
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    Some quick math (divide by 10) and this is also known as "The Rule of 3's" in the NW.
    Three interviewed for one position.

    So far I haven't really seen anyone come out of the limbo they are sent to when they are one of the other 2/3's not selected.

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