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    Default Anyone find a smaller 100ft quint than this?

    Ok. Our 100ft. ladder tower is getting up there in age. Its all just a bunch of talk right now as to what people want to replace it with, but most want something smaller. The beast is almost 50ft. long (bucket to tail) and has a 252 inch wheelbase. There are alot of places in the district that we won't even think of taking it due to its size.

    I believe NewJerseyFFII pointed this one out to me. Its a KME 100ft. stick that is smaller than alot of 75ft sticks out there.

    http://www.warrenfireequip.com/wellington1.htm

    OAL 36.91ft. WB 208in.
    •K.M.E. Fire Apparatus ~ Predator X-MFD custom chassis w/6” raised roof
    •Caterpillar C-13 525 horsepower diesel engine
    •Allison 4000 EVS automatic transmission
    •Seating for four firefighters and a interior cab “EMS” compartment
    •2000 GPM Waterous CSU-Y single stage pump
    •650 gallon UPF Poly IIE water tank
    •K.M.E. Fire Apparatus ~ aluminum ladder body w/ROM painted roll-up doors
    •100’ four section ladder w/“IQAN” motion control system for the ladder with at display screen at the turntable
    •“STRAIGHT SHOT” Hosebed right side body
    •Elkhart “Vulcan” wireless electric remote monitor
    •Front downriggers
    •Side mount pump panel w/one 2 ½” and two 1 ¾” crosslays
    •A 1 ¾” crosslay in the front bumper extension
    •10,000 watt PTO hydraulic generator with 4 Fire Research 1000 watt light heads
    •Ground ladders: 30’ two section, 28’ two section, (2) 16’ roof, 12’ folding, 14’ attic

    Does anyone know of any other quint out there that can come close to this or beat it in terms of OAL, WB, and tank capacity? And I dont think you can put 650 gals of water on a 100ft. Metz.

    This is basically a 100ft ladder (650 gallon tank to boot!) in the footprint of a 75ft ladder.

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    Your size is going to depend on 2 factors...

    -Tank Size

    -Ladder Size

    You're going to have to sacrifice one or other due to weight distribution on the rear axle. You also might have to venture into the world of the "Dayton" 33,500 lb. rated rear end. That's whole other topic in itself! LOL
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    http://www.toyne.com/delivery.asp?na...veries&did=114

    Only 500 gallons, but it has a bucket.....I've seen the piece in person, and I couldnt believe how short it was, the picture does it's short length no justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CooterRob View Post
    Your size is going to depend on 2 factors...

    -Tank Size

    -Ladder Size

    You're going to have to sacrifice one or other due to weight distribution on the rear axle. You also might have to venture into the world of the "Dayton" 33,500 lb. rated rear end. That's whole other topic in itself! LOL
    quoting myself... if you intend on keeping short in a single axle you'll prolly be bumped into a "Dayton" rear end. Tandem axle's are nice for the weight, but they do make a bit longer by their nature.
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    GFPD

    Not only can we give you that much water but we also give you the Shopping Cart so you can ride up to the top. Just remember though that those short wheel base tandems (no matter who builds them) will scratch off a set of rear tires in the neighborhood of every 5,000 miles, plus if you don't get the weight balanced correctly you'll be pushing around corners instead of turning. Good looking rig.

    Buff, is that an RK and what is the OAL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    GFPD

    Not only can we give you that much water but we also give you the Shopping Cart so you can ride up to the top. Just remember though that those short wheel base tandems (no matter who builds them) will scratch off a set of rear tires in the neighborhood of every 5,000 miles, plus if you don't get the weight balanced correctly you'll be pushing around corners instead of turning. Good looking rig.

    Buff, is that an RK and what is the OAL?
    I have personally seen 2 KME tower ladders near me that "push" and "squat" their rear ends due to being over weight for the rated axles. It makes me cringe every time I see them hit a bump... DOH!!!
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    Default Things already bad, then the Chief arrives, CHAOS

    I don't know if this is on one of the other forums. This was like the Phoenix accident, the truck was going around a corner.

    http://www.vertikal.net/en/videos.php?video=17
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
    I don't know if this is on one of the other forums. This was like the Phoenix accident, the truck was going around a corner.

    http://www.vertikal.net/en/videos.php?video-17
    link didn't work.
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    Sorry, I gotta work on that.

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    Is it just me?

    I only see three ladder sections, maybe it's only a 75'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanIsleEVT View Post
    Is it just me?

    I only see three ladder sections, maybe it's only a 75'.
    IDK, but it says 100'. It's definitely not 30 ft. from the ground to the turn table!!! LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedBaronl32 View Post
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    Buff, is that an RK and what is the OAL?
    Tony-

    Definitely an RK aerial, and the length from bucket to back end is 42'-9". Wheelbase is 240".

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    Sounds good to me Amigo, check out the link.

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    Post Kme 100' stick Under 37'

    This is " WoodbridgeFFII " formerly known as " New JerseyFFII " I purchased a new Dell PC , New Internet service, & New E-mail address and could not get back onto my Firehouse Forums log-in so I had to change my member user name. The 100' Kme stick with a 500# tip load has a ( 36'-6 " ) to ( 37' ) O.A.L. !..
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    I'm willing to be wrong, but does any manufacturer make a 100 foot stick or ladder tower on a single rear axle? My only guess would be that Metz might.

    I'm pretty sure that Pierce, KME, Smeal, ALF, EOne dont.

    Anyone know?

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    http://www.toyne.com/delivery.asp?na...veries&did=114

    Only 500 gallons, but it has a bucket.....I've seen the piece in person, and I couldnt believe how short it was, the picture does it's short length no justice.

    yes, its a "short" wheelbase. the bucket hangs out over the cab further though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefSquirrel View Post
    I'm willing to be wrong, but does any manufacturer make a 100 foot stick or ladder tower on a single rear axle? My only guess would be that Metz might.

    I'm pretty sure that Pierce, KME, Smeal, ALF, EOne dont.

    Anyone know?
    I thought that E-One does? Boston FD, Newark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleWickman View Post
    I thought that E-One does? Boston FD, Newark?
    Seagrave will do a 100 foot rear mount on a single rear axle. Everything I've found is that E-One can no longer do the single rear axle 100 footer. Neither can be had with a pump and water, and I believe the Seagrave gives up some tip load ratings as compared to some other 100 foot aerials on the market depending on the angle of elevation, etc.

    Like everything, if you want that short, single axle wheelbase and 100 foot bad enough, you may have to give up something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by npfd801 View Post
    Seagrave will do a 100 foot rear mount on a single rear axle. Everything I've found is that E-One can no longer do the single rear axle 100 footer. Neither can be had with a pump and water, and I believe the Seagrave gives up some tip load ratings as compared to some other 100 foot aerials on the market depending on the angle of elevation, etc.

    Like everything, if you want that short, single axle wheelbase and 100 foot bad enough, you may have to give up something.
    This a Seagrave straight stick on a single axle with a pump... IDK about water.



    Here's another from my area.. an 1981 Seagrave stick.

    http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...b/IMG_1367.jpg
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    This a Seagrave straight stick on a single axle with a pump... IDK about water.

    http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1.../r6_image1.jpg

    ^that is maplewood nj. 200 tank

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    For safety alone, why would you ever put that much weight on a single rear axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanIsleEVT View Post
    For safety alone, why would you ever put that much weight on a single rear axle.
    I agree, but not everyone has the option to have massive ladder trucks. Most new apparatus have such a low center of gravity that, that part of the safety issue shouldn't play in. If you rate your axle high enough, suspension and components there shouldn't be an serious issue. The only issue would be is being bumped up to a 33,500 Dayton bud wheel rear assembly and having to pay the price for the general maintenance on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CooterRob View Post
    I agree, but not everyone has the option to have massive ladder trucks. Most new apparatus have such a low center of gravity that, that part of the safety issue shouldn't play in. If you rate your axle high enough, suspension and components there shouldn't be an serious issue. The only issue would be is being bumped up to a 33,500 Dayton bud wheel rear assembly and having to pay the price for the general maintenance on them.
    You can only put so much brake on each axle, and there's only so much footprint on the road surface. That translates into a limit of brake friction and/or creating heat faster than it can be dissipated. In the meantime, when the friction between the square inches of rubber on the road and the road surface is overcome, you lock up and slide. What it all comes down to is, when you have that much weight, you need more wheels to carry it around and more brakes to stop it.

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    Boston FD currently has 100' single axle aerials on order with E-One. Believe it or not the BFD jakes were not happy with the P brand aerials. They also have a few E1 pumpers on order as well.

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