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    Quote Originally Posted by chief41 View Post
    We are having the opposite problem, Scotts initial qoute was right where we needed it to be ( around $5200 including the pac tracker option), MSA came in at $6300. We are currently an MSA user, so we called them back in for another look. That was 2 weeks ago & we still haven't heard anything?
    Has anybody heard of price increases after Jan. 1. Maybe if Scott is planning an increase MSA is trying to delay us so they can be more competitive?
    Chief 41 : you need to have a little sit down and come to Jesus meeting with your MSA rep. They can do better if you lean on them a little.We started out higher and then explained that even though we had been a MSA department for many years, we were being urged to switch to scott for interoperability with our neighboring dept's that provide mutual aid. All of a sudden they got out their pencil sharpener and found the discount pricing to keep us MSA. good luck!


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    [QUOTE=chief41;899165]We are having the opposite problem, Scotts initial qoute was right where we needed it to be ( around $5200 including the pac tracker option), MSA came in at $6300. We are currently an MSA user, so we called them back in for another look. That was 2 weeks ago & we still haven't heard anything?.../QUOTE]

    That's total nonsense. You asked for bids and you got quotes for the 2 good brands. To heck with you MSA vendor. There aren't any do-overs. MSA bid too high, forget about them. You'll be happier with the Scott units (and paktracker) anyhow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neiowa View Post
    That's total nonsense. You asked for biss and you got quotes for the 2 good brands. To heck with you MSA vendor. There is any do-overs. MSA bid too high, forget about them. You'll be happier with the Scott units (and paktracker) anyhow.
    I have to agree. It is not fair, and in fact can lead to issues playing with
    the bids like that.

    Although you don't have to take the lowest bid, asking one of the bidders
    for a do-over - that just is not right.

    Now, if you can show the Scott bids do not meet specs, (and not for some
    inane part like color of the carrying case) then you throw the bids out and
    rebid. But if it is not a good reason, you can run into issues.

    Now, if you speced something that is scott specific, or MSA specific, WITH GOOD REASON, such as the bottles must be interoperable with your existing packs, and the competing bid does not match, then you again have reason to throw out the bids and redo. If you did not spec that, redo the bid process.

    Tis a slippery slope

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    The original "QOUTE" (not bid) we received from MSA did not include, an accountability system, after the Scott rep. came in and demonstrated theirs we decided it was something we would like to have. That's why we went back to MSA for a second look, that and the fact the MSA dealer was unable to even show us the new 2007 compliant model at the time.

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    I have to say all the info i read here is a big help

    we got our 1199 for SCBA regional grant, now both departments are very big MSA users right now , but everyone around us is SCOTT,

    now on inital pricing, MSA was way out and SCOTT was very close, now we all agreeded on being open minded but want each company to know they got to work there pencil hard and most important give us a dependable unit and service with it

    our big concern is getting the unit price close to 5,000.00 per unit if not under and from reading here i think it can be done, we are looking at 60 units

    NEIOWA you bring up some great facts on your post, that is the unit we bid so it will be quite interesting, just anyone use the paktracker, how is that working out
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    Chief,

    If you're getting 60 units over two departments you should certainly have some leverage. Make sure they know it's a group purchase and point out that you whoever gets the bid will have two customers for quite some time.

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    Just a little FYI, we opened bids yesterday for new SCOTT SCBA's and the low bid was $4,865. This was for a 2007 compliant unit, 4500 psi 45 min carbon fiber cylinder, voice amplifier, EBSS and RIC connections, and spare carbonfiber cylinder.

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    Looks like the companies have got their heart right

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinds View Post
    Just a little FYI, we opened bids yesterday for new SCOTT SCBA's and the low bid was $4,865. This was for a 2007 compliant unit, 4500 psi 45 min carbon fiber cylinder, voice amplifier, EBSS and RIC connections, and spare carbonfiber cylinder.


    Who did you get you low bid from? We are looking at 20 of the same SCBA's

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    Smith's Fire Service out of Eldred, PA (North Central Pa.)

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    Thanks for the info

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    Didn't take long for the $7,000 price tags to go away!!

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    First one is are you allowd to purchase and recieve bids from another scott dealer saying that that dealer is not your regional dealer. There are some things where companies specify you must deal with a dealer assigned to your regional area. Does anyone know if scott does this or do they allow you to buy from whoever you wish to deal with. The second question is when your awarded a grant for multiple opperational and safety items for a large ammount of money this including SCBAs fittness programs and such. When they give you the reduction for 5000 per SCBA does this mean that this is all they will figure in when they give you your total award ammount. Meaning if you asked for $5500 for SCBAs coming to a total of say $120,000 to complete the project for your SCBAs then you have 50,000 for another item and 40,000 for another item coming to a total of 210,000 to complete the whole project. Now they come back with your award and say they reduced you to 5000 per pack but award you the full ammount of everything else you asked for now you have a total award of say 200,000, now you start working on your project and find out that the one project you saved 5,000 and the other project you also saved 5,000 giving you 10,000 extra after completing both the 50,000 and 40,000 project for 45,000 and 35,000. Now my question is are you allowd to apply that extra money from those areas to the SCBA portion of your total project or are you restricted to using 5000 or less?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinds View Post
    Just a little FYI, we opened bids yesterday for new SCOTT SCBA's and the low bid was $4,865. This was for a 2007 compliant unit, 4500 psi 45 min carbon fiber cylinder, voice amplifier, EBSS and RIC connections, and spare carbonfiber cylinder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5alarmcooker View Post
    First one is are you allowd to purchase and recieve bids from another scott dealer saying that that dealer is not your regional dealer. There are some things where companies specify you must deal with a dealer assigned to your regional area. Does anyone know if scott does this or do they allow you to buy from whoever you wish to deal with. The second question is when your awarded a grant for multiple opperational and safety items for a large ammount of money this including SCBAs fittness programs and such. When they give you the reduction for 5000 per SCBA does this mean that this is all they will figure in when they give you your total award ammount. Meaning if you asked for $5500 for SCBAs coming to a total of say $120,000 to complete the project for your SCBAs then you have 50,000 for another item and 40,000 for another item coming to a total of 210,000 to complete the whole project. Now they come back with your award and say they reduced you to 5000 per pack but award you the full ammount of everything else you asked for now you have a total award of say 200,000, now you start working on your project and find out that the one project you saved 5,000 and the other project you also saved 5,000 giving you 10,000 extra after completing both the 50,000 and 40,000 project for 45,000 and 35,000. Now my question is are you allowd to apply that extra money from those areas to the SCBA portion of your total project or are you restricted to using 5000 or less?
    $5000 total from the award, not from each section.

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    For the Florida departments waning Scott, ProAm Safety has NxG7s for less than $5K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firechief47 View Post
    For the Florida departments waning Scott, ProAm Safety has NxG7s for less than $5K.

    Ben
    Pro-am was one of our bidders and they came in at $5,186

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    Wink SCBA Grants

    I have done alot of research on 2007 compliant SCBA's that fall close to the 5K alottment of the AFG grants. Scott is willing to deal the prices down close to the 5K threshold. They do force you to deal with regional reps as do most others. Any one that has received a grant should keep an open mind about manufacturers; there are some like MSA, Drager, Survivair, ISI that will give you demo's and then quotes. All have come close to the 5K amount. Drager was the best prices of the group that I delt with. Most manufacturers will not give you their best prices right away, they want to see if you will meet their prices first before negotiating down.
    I know how hard it is to convince people to change from Scott but the others do offer the same basic items at about the same prices. Don't be fooled all manufacturers have alot of room to get close to that 5K mark and the AFG knows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5alarmcooker View Post
    First one is are you allowd to purchase and recieve bids from another scott dealer saying that that dealer is not your regional dealer. ...
    It's your money you can buy from anyone you want to buy from. Buy I wouldn't even consider buying from anyone that does not have mobile service tuck operating in your area (or has a local shop). If you're not getting the price you need (see # listed above) from the local suppliers talk the the regional Scott rep about the issue. He does not set selling prices but he can make any special pricing available to other distributors if the distributor you're talking to is not pricing the equipment appropriately for the discounts they are receiving from Scott. Scott certainly does not want you to buy MSA because a distributor is trying to overprice the equipment. There is a Scott distributor that, with the assistance of Scott can get you the price required to stay with in budget.

    Hopefully you asked for Paktracker, voice amps, radio interface in other equipment.

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    neiowa,

    I don't know if you're specifically referencing Scott or generalizing, but many times like 5alarmcooker has stated, I have been denied quotes/bids from a dealer outside of our area for certain stuff.

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