Thoughts on this video?

[firemedickyle]

A few things I noticed:

1. I'll second the motion of some PPV would have helped a ton.
2. The crew in the back was pushing fire back towards the building while, the entry team on the front side of the structure was attempting to make entry. Nothing like hurting your own?
3. Was the female the incident commander? If she wasn't, I didn't see her do a damn thing on the fireground.
4. This fire was small in nature in the rear of the building, with probably some extension into the attack. They could have made an aggressive attack from the get go and hit the fire.
5. Did anybody not hear the camera man tell them about the power line in the back? The crew in the building worked under it for a short period of time.
6. PPE issues for the interior attack.
7. Definitely some learning experiences to take away from the this fire.

[ChicagoFF]

Please note, I did NOT say the structure was toast when they arrived on scene. I said it was toast when the first line was pulled to the door (where the video restarts). BIG difference.

My point in posting my video was to show that just because something looks bad doesn't mean it cant be saved. The fire that started this thread, in my opinion, should not have been all that complicated of a job. Their timid approach and lack of action cost them that building, not the fire. I don't believe it is my job to make the "toast" call from standing in the yard. If we go defensive, it is because of fire or building conditions, not because we don't want to go in. Many here on this site, I'm sure, would have argued that the video I posted was a loser that shouldn't have been entered, with heavy smoke and fire on 2 or three floors. As it turns out, that crowd is wrong. It's the same with this Florida crew. You seem to support their approach when I think many would agree with me - forget your ppv, your "it's gonna flash", all the antics with the window, and all the other unneeded mickey mouse bs - go in and put the fire out.

The place was gone before the first line was pulled anyway.

[Jasper 45]

OK, just to be fair, I'll post one of ours so you can criticize us too!

Hey, nice job! Did the 'ridge runners' ever realize there was fire in the attic?


I kind of thought that your video showed what we're supposed to do, even though there was a decent volume of fire. I mean, if they would have let it go, the whole thing would have gone up, eventually.

I didn't hear any PPV fans running, either.

[frenchfireball]

Foreign friends....
would you like me to upload it to a website, so you can view it?

if you can,yeah,it could be great.

[ChicagoFF]

Hey, nice job! Did the 'ridge runners' ever realize there was fire in the attic?

You know truckmen aren't the deepest thinkers!

PPV? We don't need no stinkin' PPV!

[BLSboy]

For my Euro friends.........

available for download here.......
http://rapidshare.com/files/78590739..._Fire.flv.html

[frenchfireball]

For my Euro friends.........

available for download here.......
http://rapidshare.com/files/78590739..._Fire.flv.html

thanks but unfortunately,it is not ok for my comp.on youtube,it would be ok i guess.but thanks again maybe for the other members from Europe it would be ok.

[BLSboy]

Youtube doesn tlet me upload for some reason. idk why.......

[frenchfireball]

Youtube doesn tlet me upload for some reason. idk why.......

do not worry for me,i think for the others it will be ok.my comp is evil!!!!

[nmfire]

I'm not supporting their approach at all. I've stated several times that proper ventilation would probably have worked wonders and made it a viable interior attack. Not that there would be much left anyway, but it may not have required going defensive.

What I'm not going to do is assume why they used the approach they did like the rest of you are. The video is not complete and leaves a lot up to guessing.

[Capt406]

This is why it is risky to post videos of your fires. No matter what you do someone will find fault with it. Just as long as we can learn something from it. Glad there are so many competent aggressive firefighters out there to point out the shortcomings. So the fire didnt go beyond building of origin and nobody got hurt. I call that a draw. The fire got bigger after they got there, points off (sorry, both Chicago and FL.) What I was woundering, did FL do a 360? I would of taken a knock on the outside fire first before standing in the doorway not making headway. If the fire got into the building, then the water can. Then go in and OPEN IT UP. PPV, sure if that floats your boat, but not a must have as some would like you to think. Chicago doesnt need PPV, just look at the breeze pushing the smoke around. Commit to a empty building (FL)? Think twice. See how many shots you would take if one of your guys got hurt taking risks on that building. Seemed some indecision in FL. First engine kind of wandered, not quite sure what to do at first. Videos can be misleading, how bout those Chicago guys marching in line with the hoseline away from the building? Exposure control? Hey chief how about some PPE? But he dosent go in and it is hot outside. A video can make most anyone look like a boob. If you can look past that you can learn something from most, smoke conditions, fire progression, line placement, then OK. Please God dont put any of my fires on YouTube.

[SteveDude]

Foreign friends....
would you like me to upload it to a website, so you can view it?

Sir,
I can't possibly be foreign...I'm British. Might I suggest Sir that you and the gentleman from France are foreign, One can only be of two Nationalities in this World...British or Foreign. Seeing I am of the former then you all must be the latter.



BTW, thanks for the link to the video. Were their Hydrants out and the tanks empty????

Fire...put water on it...no more fire

[firenresq77]

Sir,

Fire...put water on it...no more fire

Maybe they should watch the Fire SUV video.......

[JohnVBFD]

BTW, thanks for the link to the video. Were their Hydrants out and the tanks empty????

Fire...put water on it...no more fire

But you are not understanding...It was "going to flash" Plus the hoseline would have to have moved more than the 36 inches into the building than they moved it.

In all seriousness, if anything this video reinforces our need to drive home and continually drill on our basic firefighting skills.

[CooterRob]

Look some of the other videos on there of a large city that starts with and "H". Their videos can make for a great discussion.

[frenchfireball]

Sir,
I can't possibly be foreign...I'm British. Might I suggest Sir that you and the gentleman from France are foreign, One can only be of two Nationalities in this World...British or Foreign. Seeing I am of the former then you all must be the latter.



BTW, thanks for the link to the video. Were their Hydrants out and the tanks empty????

Fire...put water on it...no more fire

yeah,i'm a foreigner but not a gentleman,please,i'm a woman.lol.

[ChicagoFF]

...The fire got bigger after they got there, points off (sorry, both Chicago and FL.)

Hmmm...I didn't see it get bigger, but maybe I'm missing something. The point was we were inside stopping the fire, not outside watching.

... Chicago doesnt need PPV, just look at the breeze pushing the smoke around

The breeze has nothing to do with our non-use of ppv. We never use it for fire attacks

...Commit to a empty building (FL)? Think twice. See how many shots you would take if one of your guys got hurt taking risks on that building

How do they know the building is empty?

...how bout those Chicago guys marching in line with the hoseline away from the building? Exposure control?

Of course they were for exposures.

...Hey chief how about some PPE? But he dosent go in and it is hot outside.

He was outside the building.

..........

[SteveDude]

yeah,i'm a foreigner but not a gentleman,please,i'm a woman.lol.

Please accept my sincerest apologies for my error.

[frenchfireball]

Please accept my sincerest apologies for my error.

no problem Sir.

[FireMedAS]

I am curious to know what you folks would have done if you were the battalion chief and you pulled up on the scene at the 4:15 mark (it's counting backwards on my computer). Let's forget about the mistakes made up to that point. What would your orders be to get control of this scene? Let's turn this into something educational.