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    Smile Statistics as of Round 20

    Congrats to all of the winners this week. Makes for a great Christmas present.

    As of Round 20

    3488 awards......$308,133,697

    Breakdown:

    OPS: 2933 awards......$200,645,573
    VEH: 555 awards......$107,488,124

    Funds Remaining:

    OPS: $154,904,427 (44%)
    VEH: $29,261,876 (21%)

    Average Award:

    OPS: $68,410
    VEH: $193,672

    Estimated Awards Remaining:

    OPS: 2264
    VEH: 151

    Average Awards/Round:

    174

    Estimated Rounds Remaining:

    14

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    Default The all important question

    Is there any way to know how many apps have received a DJ? This will tell us how many are still in the running and then those of us with no finger nails left from biting them so much will know the odds of getting funded.

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    There are probably 1000-2000 in limbo right now. There will only be around 5000-5500 awards total, counting all sectors. So since we're at ~3500, there are 1500-2000 awards left to go, possibly 500-750 of which have 1199As currently. No news is good news, and if no news turns into bad news then most everyone in limbo right now should resubmit the same app if it can't be skinnied out for 2008. Meaning drop parts of the request to drop the $$ request and streamline the narrative. If all you asked for was 1 thing (gear, SCBA, hose) then there's nothing you can do since you didn't have a laundry list so that would be one to toss back in as is. Just because it doesn't get funded doesn't mean it wasn't any good, and of course vice-versa.

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    Smile In Limbo

    For those of us in limbo, maybe this is good news. I am still hoping for the best.

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    How many trucks were awarded last year, as to this year so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjlffire View Post
    How many trucks were awarded last year, as to this year so far?

    By Round 20 in 2006 - 689 out of 734 vehicle awards had been awarded.

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    Going to be around 650 trucks this year at the most.

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    Is he lower amount of truck awardes due to the higher cost, or did they scale back. My department still has 2 grants out (SCBA and Vehicle). We can probably make it by till 08 to reapply for PPE, but the tanker is now basically out of service. We really (as others do) need it.

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    Inflation and 2007 emissions standards brought pricing up a bit. It's been the same money in vehicles since 2005, roughly $135mil. Same amount of money for awards divided by more expensive stuff = fewer awards. They're adding $13mil to AFG for 2008, but we need to lobby for AFG going beyond 2010 and adding money, and in that order. We need more than 3 years worth even at the same level so work on more money after they pass the extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    Inflation and 2007 emissions standards brought pricing up a bit. It's been the same money in vehicles since 2005, roughly $135mil. Same amount of money for awards divided by more expensive stuff = fewer awards. They're adding $13mil to AFG for 2008, but we need to lobby for AFG going beyond 2010 and adding money, and in that order. We need more than 3 years worth even at the same level so work on more money after they pass the extension.

    As of Round 20 the average vehicle award is more than $9200 higher than this time in 2006. When compared to 2006 figures, that equates to 28 fewer vehicle awards to date.

    During 2006 there were $134,095,058 in vehicle awards. For 2007 the appropriation is $136,750,000 or a $2,654,942 increase. An increase in funding = more awards, not likely.

    Remember there has been an increase of $9200/vehicle this year. With 555 awards to date = $5,106,000 in additional funds being used which has been offset by the increased funding of $2,654,942, meaning $2,451,058 is being made up from the remainder of the funds. This trend will only continue through the remainder of the awards.

    As Brian pointed out increased costs=decreased awards.

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    Default What about supplemental funding rounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    There are probably 1000-2000 in limbo right now. There will only be around 5000-5500 awards total, counting all sectors. So since we're at ~3500, there are 1500-2000 awards left to go, possibly 500-750 of which have 1199As currently.
    Brian, what about left over money? I just went back to 2006 to look at what they did last year. While they started making announcements late (10/06) they continued making announcements all the way into 10/07. In fact the same is true for 05, 04, and 03 (I cannot see the award dates for 01 or 02.) Are the late awards previously DJ'd? Is this where the "supplemental funding" exception comes in for late round DJs? I know this is wishful thinking. If we are DJ'd then we need to start thinking about 2008 instead of hoping for supplemental money from 2007. Still, I am interested to know how this works just in case....

    Thank you for all your help.

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    Correct, everything that was announced for the prior year in Aug-Oct ranges were excess fund awards. Since closeouts can't happen until the 11th month of an award, while folks may be done spending money and know they will be returning funds it can't officially be done until after the closeout. So everyone does initially get denied and then awarded in supplemental rounds.

    You definitely don't want to drop 2008 thinking 2007 will happen in excess funds. The best possible scenario after a 2007 award in real time is applying for the same thing in 2008 and getting a supplemental 2007.

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