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    What should I include in my cover letter that I send with a resume'
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    Did they ask for a cover letter? What could you possible put in a cover letter that's not covered in your resume?

    I'm a one-page resume guy for entry level without a cover letter, not in a binder or folder. Do not give us a book. We will not read it. Write it believing the raters wonít go past the first page. You can put any supporting details, documents, certificates and if it will help you sleep better and letters of recommendation following the first page. Keep it simple.

    Save a tree, the raters will not read these volumes. Donít send us on a treasure hunt to find your great stuff.

    Question: If you are going to attach any letters of recommendation following the first page how many is appropriate. I am thinking maybe two. I realize that there is a very good chance they won't read it but wouldn't it still look just a little better to have a couple of them?

    Reply: How about none! Again, I'm a one page stand alone resume guy. Don't give me a book. And, if you have already listed your education, experience and certs on your application and resume, why do you need to attached them; unless they were requested or you're going to a chiefs interview where there is more time with each candidate.

    Many entry level and promotional candidates have told me they were complemented on having just one, as in one page only, resume.

    As you know everyone becomes an expert on these issues. They will fill you head with all these crazy ideas and stuff. And because "They Said" (I've been trying to find "they" for 30 years) you needed to have all that extra stuff or the other candidates are going to get ahead of you. So, how is all this extra stuff going to help you, really? Keep it Simple.

    From interview rater BC Steve Prziborowski:

    I'm with Captain Bob on this one - leave them at home! Personally, letters of recommendation really aren't worth much because it is very easy to get them (in my opinion and experience) and they're like a verbal recommendation of someone. Many times, people will say how great you are either to get rid of you or because they really don't know the true you.

    On an oral panel, they don't have the time to look at them either. Every oral panel I have been on (on either side), there has usually not been much room for the rater's to utilize. There is usually a cramped table space with enough room for a rating sheet, and then maybe your application and/or resume, that's it.

    You're getting graded at the oral for things you say, not for things that are written down. Remember if you don't say it, you probably won't get full credit for it. Dimensions you're getting graded on during oral interviews include oral communication, NOT written communication.

    If the rater's are reading your paperwork, they're not listening to you - and that can be bad (remember if you didn't say it in the oral, you're not going to get full credit for it, even if it is on your resume). Having to read your resume and application while trying to make notes and comments on your rating sheet and keep their ears open to make sure you say all of the key phrases, buzz words, etc. is challenging enough. Throwing more paperwork in front of them (letters of recommendations, certifications, etc.) just convolutes the issue.

    About the only time to include a letter of recommendation might be during the chief's oral (even that is an iffy time). Personally, if I was a chief, I really wouldn't put much weight on a letter of recommendation (and I know many chiefs that agree with me).

    In my opinion, letters are letters. Whether they are from your boss, a friend, an acquaintance, etc. Whether they are saying how awesome you supposedly are, how great you performed at an event, etc.

    Extra, unnecessary paperwork, that just takes away from what you're being graded for. During a background investigation, unless they ask for it, I wouldn't provide it. The background investigator has enough to deal with than have more paperwork.
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    Thanks for the reply Capt. Bob. In this case they request a cover letter and ask that you "Submit your resume with a cover letter indicating the announcement number of the position you are applying for."
    I agree with you and wouldn't normally include one.
    Should I keep it very brief? Basically one paragraph giving them the announcement number?
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadfly View Post
    Thanks for the reply Capt. Bob. In this case they request a cover letter and ask that you "Submit your resume with a cover letter indicating the announcement number of the position you are applying for."
    I agree with you and wouldn't normally include one.
    Should I keep it very brief? Basically one paragraph giving them the announcement number?
    Thanks.
    Yes, they're probably just using what they're calling a cover letter to separate the different job classifications in HR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBob View Post
    Did they ask for a cover letter? What could you possible put in a cover letter that's not covered in your resume?

    I'm a one-page resume guy for entry level without a cover letter, not in a binder or folder. Do not give us a book. We will not read it. Write it believing the raters wonít go past the first page. You can put any supporting details, documents, certificates and if it will help you sleep better and letters of recommendation following the first page. Keep it simple.

    Save a tree, the raters will not read these volumes. Donít send us on a treasure hunt to find your great stuff.

    Question: If you are going to attach any letters of recommendation following the first page how many is appropriate. I am thinking maybe two. I realize that there is a very good chance they won't read it but wouldn't it still look just a little better to have a couple of them?

    Reply: How about none! Again, I'm a one page stand alone resume guy. Don't give me a book. And, if you have already listed your education, experience and certs on your application and resume, why do you need to attached them; unless they were requested or you're going to a chiefs interview where there is more time with each candidate.

    Many entry level and promotional candidates have told me they were complemented on having just one, as in one page only, resume.

    As you know everyone becomes an expert on these issues. They will fill you head with all these crazy ideas and stuff. And because "They Said" (I've been trying to find "they" for 30 years) you needed to have all that extra stuff or the other candidates are going to get ahead of you. So, how is all this extra stuff going to help you, really? Keep it Simple.

    From interview rater BC Steve Prziborowski:

    I'm with Captain Bob on this one - leave them at home! Personally, letters of recommendation really aren't worth much because it is very easy to get them (in my opinion and experience) and they're like a verbal recommendation of someone. Many times, people will say how great you are either to get rid of you or because they really don't know the true you.

    On an oral panel, they don't have the time to look at them either. Every oral panel I have been on (on either side), there has usually not been much room for the rater's to utilize. There is usually a cramped table space with enough room for a rating sheet, and then maybe your application and/or resume, that's it.

    You're getting graded at the oral for things you say, not for things that are written down. Remember if you don't say it, you probably won't get full credit for it. Dimensions you're getting graded on during oral interviews include oral communication, NOT written communication.

    If the rater's are reading your paperwork, they're not listening to you - and that can be bad (remember if you didn't say it in the oral, you're not going to get full credit for it, even if it is on your resume). Having to read your resume and application while trying to make notes and comments on your rating sheet and keep their ears open to make sure you say all of the key phrases, buzz words, etc. is challenging enough. Throwing more paperwork in front of them (letters of recommendations, certifications, etc.) just convolutes the issue.

    About the only time to include a letter of recommendation might be during the chief's oral (even that is an iffy time). Personally, if I was a chief, I really wouldn't put much weight on a letter of recommendation (and I know many chiefs that agree with me).

    In my opinion, letters are letters. Whether they are from your boss, a friend, an acquaintance, etc. Whether they are saying how awesome you supposedly are, how great you performed at an event, etc.

    Extra, unnecessary paperwork, that just takes away from what you're being graded for. During a background investigation, unless they ask for it, I wouldn't provide it. The background investigator has enough to deal with than have more paperwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadfly View Post
    Thanks for the reply Capt. Bob. In this case they request a cover letter and ask that you "Submit your resume with a cover letter indicating the announcement number of the position you are applying for."
    I agree with you and wouldn't normally include one.
    Should I keep it very brief? Basically one paragraph giving them the announcement number?
    Thanks.
    Shadfly T. Applicant
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    By registered US Mail (return receipt requested) #6230 3378 1234 4567

    March 20, 2011

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    RE: Application for employment

    To whom it may concern,

    Please find enclosed all materials as specified by announcement number 123456-2011. Should you have any questions, please contact me as referenced above. Thank you for your time in this matter.

    Respectfully submitted,


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    I agree, keep it brief. Having said that make sure everything is correct and that it looks professonal and everything is spelled correctly.
    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulLepore View Post
    I agree, keep it brief. Having said that make sure everything is correct and that it looks professonal and everything is spelled correctly.
    Good luck!
    Thanks for your feedback

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