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    Default Portable ladder evolution, child gates and victim removal.

    Video, portable ladder, child gate removal, victim removal..etc.

    All with the excellent commentary we've come to expect from my peoples in Da Bronx.

    Bronx 2nd Alarm


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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Video, portable ladder, child gate removal, victim removal..etc.

    All with the excellent commentary we've come to expect from my peoples in Da Bronx.

    Bronx 2nd Alarm
    "Da whole fire depatment is dere wit dere wreckin stix!"

    Good job Story Ave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Video, portable ladder, child gate removal, victim removal..etc.

    All with the excellent commentary we've come to expect from my peoples in Da Bronx.

    Bronx 2nd Alarm

    Fred,

    Outstanding video - that's what this job is all about, and that is saving lives.


    I can't wait for the armchair quarterbacks to come out and criticize every little thing about this video.


    Very nice work!

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    great rescue,bravo.good job.
    "sauver ou périr"

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    Just for my information and a teaching point for my crew. Are those bars installed by the builder or are they an occupant retro-fit?

    And by the way great job.

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    Great job by the FDNY.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    I can't wait for the armchair quarterbacks to come out and criticize every little thing about this video.
    If you listen to the bystanders, it sounds like they were already there. Everybody's an expert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenNFD1219 View Post
    Great job by the FDNY.

    If you listen to the bystanders, it sounds like they were already there. Everybody's an expert.

    No 'hablo espanol'.


    I guess they don't understand the concept that guys are working inside, at the same time.

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    Good job from our FDNY brothers. I just hope that most of us out there could expect to do similar if faced with this situation.

    Not to take anything away from them, but this shouldn't be more than any dept. can handle. Training, using ladders, knowing what tools work for the job and having the staffing and command to conduct the rescue and work on fire control should be "routine". If you watched this and thought the outcome would have been different (save for a few minutes and personnel) you need to take a look at your training program. These guys just showed up and did what the public expects and what we should be preparing for every day!

    Nice work. Again this in no way should minimize the fact that these Brothers made the grabs, but come on, would you expect any less?

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    I got this via FF Close calls.com email and was glad to see it posted here. Excellent work!!

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    Break the f'ing gates yo! Ffred, got to love the rant!

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    Great job, but I hava a few questions. Does NYP-EMS mean New York Police-EMS? Why does that guy have the tan/yellow turnout gear on? Thanks and agian good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNFF319 View Post
    Great job, but I hava a few questions. Does NYP-EMS mean New York Police-EMS? Why does that guy have the tan/yellow turnout gear on? Thanks and agian good job.
    It is New York Presbyterian hospital EMS. There are still hospitals and some private EMS companies in the city. And most places, including FDNY EMS, have provided its members with bunker gear for use at fire scenes. They are not rated for fire duty.
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    Great job by all. I'm sure it's just another day in the Bronx!

    The commentary by the bystanders is classic...
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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    may i ask you how many firefighters were on the fireground for this rescue?how long did the firefighters stay on fireground?

    that is just to know and understand better the way you work in the US.
    "sauver ou périr"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Great job by all. I'm sure it's just another day in the Bronx!

    The commentary by the bystanders is classic...
    Seemed like the ones raising hell and all hysterical were the locals. The two trapped behind the bars seemed pretty calm. Maybe they grew up on Intervale Ave in the 70's and are repeat customers.

    First due E & T ? Job well done.

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    Frenchy,

    Upon transmission of the working fire, the FDNY is using 4 engines, 2 ladders, a FAST team, 2 Battalion Chiefs and available Special units including a rescue and a squad. More than likely, you are looking at the OVs and/or Chauffeurs of the two trucks on the video.

    Engines - 4 to 5 FFs, 1 Officer
    Ladders, Squads, Rescues - 5 FFs, 1 Officer

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatherPierce View Post
    Frenchy,

    Upon transmission of the working fire, the FDNY is using 4 engines, 2 ladders, a FAST team, 2 Battalion Chiefs and available Special units including a rescue and a squad. More than likely, you are looking at the OVs and/or Chauffeurs of the two trucks on the video.

    Engines - 4 to 5 FFs, 1 Officer
    Ladders, Squads, Rescues - 5 FFs, 1 Officer
    ok thanks for your reply.
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    This job was in October of this year. I believe it was October 13th at the change of tours (day tour to night tour).

    When we arrived fire was still ripping out of the window shown in the video. E-96 (I think) was stretching the first line to the fire floor. Typically in this type of building (non-fireproof) there are stand-pipes to stretch the hose line from.

    In this building, there were no stand-pipes present and the stretch had to be done from the rig. The stretch was about 10 lengths if I had to guess. Ladder 54's OV was in the rear, assisted by the Chauffeur to raise the 35' portable ladder to the 3rd floor.

    We got in pretty quick and made a brief appearance in the rear yard as the civilian shown in the video was descending the ladder. We checked in with the battalion and were immediately sent to the floor above the fire (4th) to search.

    Ladder 54's inside team did a great job also by locating the civilians at the window and assisting the members working on the portable ladder with removing the male occupant. The female occupant was brought back through the apartment and down the interior stairs.

    It is important to note that by the time the civilians were being removed, the engine was moving in on the fire and darkening down the bedroom in an exhibit of exceptional teamwork and coordination.

    The male victim later confessed to setting the apartment on fire in an attempt to kill his wife.

    Reference the window bars and their removal:

    The bars on the windows in the video are called child safety gates. They
    are mandated for any apartment with children in New York City. Every year
    there are several kids that fall to their deaths via windows. These guards
    are an effort to prevent those accidents.

    Consequently they are a hindrance to escaping occupants of fires and an
    obstruction for firefighting operations, as shown in the video. Typically, they can be taken out by striking each vertical post the opposite way that they are fastened into the window frame. See photo below:


    (photo courtesy of http://thehousewatch.com)

    As shown in the photo, rapidly sliding the halligan or axe across one of the
    horizontal rails and striking the vertical rails will pull the screws out of
    the window frame.

    This member is sliding the halligan from the right to the left, striking the
    left vertical rail. Doing this will pull the screws out on the right side
    of the window frame. After the right side is freed, he will repeat the
    steps sliding the tool along the rail from left to right, striking the right
    vertical rail. This will remove the screws in the left frame and the guard
    can be removed. Most of the time they are easy to remove, but sometimes you run across a stubborn one.

    Additionally, windows that service fire escapes (if they are gated) are required to have a window gate that MUST be able to be operated from the inside to allow egress in case of a fire.


    (photo courtesy of http://thehousewatch.com)

    This is a shot of an escape window gate that services a fire escape or roof
    (point of egress). They may also be located on the first floor servicing a
    front sidewalk or side alleyway. The mechanism to operate the gate is on
    the right side of the photo. It is the metal box located on the steel plate
    and frame of the gate. The gate would then swing inward (hinged where the
    Halligan forks are located) back towards the occupant to allow escape.

    The easiest way to remove this type of gate is to attack the hinged side and
    completely ignore the lock side. Prying the hinges out of the window frame
    is much faster than trying to force and destroy the locking mechanism.
    After the screws are forced from the window frame, the gate can be hinged on the lock and pushed out of the way. In many cases, it may break off and
    fall into the room.
    Good Luck, Stay Low & Stay Safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchfireball View Post
    how long did the firefighters stay on fireground?
    The first line was picked up about 35 minutes into the fire, companies remained on the scene for just over an hour.
    Good Luck, Stay Low & Stay Safe

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDeMarse View Post
    The first line was picked up about 35 minutes into the fire, companies remained on the scene for just over an hour.

    thanks for the pics and all the infos.
    "sauver ou périr"

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