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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    Well I think it's safe to say that no one gives a s#it about kwaaaanzaaaaaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    Which pagan holiday is that? I thought Easter was calculated on the time of year - the first sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox.

    Just curious...
    Still waiting for my easter answer and still too lazy to look it up!
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    So, those of you who don't believe and think Christmas is nonsense: do you turn down the overtme in your check that you receive on years you have to work Christmas day or does that not violate your anti-Christian principles?

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    Default Bashing Catholics

    only reason people are bashing Catholics is that somebody mentioned they were volunteer

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    [QUOTE]those of you who don't believe and think Christmas is nonsense: do you turn down the overtme in your check that you receive on years you have to work Christmas day or does that not violate your anti-Christian principles?[QUOTE]

    I never got an overtime check for working christmas. You must be lucky. But, I worked it every year even if it wasnt my shift, so that others could spend time with their family.

    But you bring up a good point. Should athesists get christmas off or even a christmas bonus?
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    and I finally found some time for you ChicagoFF...

    Many, perhaps most, Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at or following the Spring Equinox. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a fictional consort who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. He was Attis, who was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25

    Many religious historians believe that the death and resurrection legends were first associated with Attis, many centuries before the birth of Jesus. They were simply grafted onto stories of Jesus' life in order to make Christian theology more acceptable to Pagans

    The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    Still waiting for my easter answer and still too lazy to look it up!
    As stated, it has something to do with a fertility celebration - of which I freely admit I do not know all of the details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightnPBIArmor View Post
    So, those of you who don't believe and think Christmas is nonsense: do you turn down the overtme in your check that you receive on years you have to work Christmas day or does that not violate your anti-Christian principles?
    I believe in Jesus Christ and God, yet I do not celebrate Christmas. Just as I do not celebrate my birthday, my wife's birthday, or anyone else birthday - except perhaps November 10th of every year as it is the Marine Corps birthday.

    I also do not get paid extra for working any holiday. I also offer to work Christma Eve/Christmas because I know to others it is important to spend time with their families, but to me it just a day between December 24th, and December 26th.

    When I worked for a private ambulance service I did get paid time and a half for working the shift, but it was company policy - written in teh employee handbook to paid as such. Ergo, it did not matter to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    But you bring up a good point. Should athesists get christmas off or even a christmas bonus?

    Funny. You'll never see teh ACLU sue for this one - separation of church and state only goes so far; and if they sue over this one , people will truly find out how much of a crackpot group they really are.
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    DaSharkie, I figured u would celebrate the birthday of the navy....

    since the marine corps is a department of the navy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    DaSharkie, I figured u would celebrate the birthday of the navy....

    since the marine corps is a department of the navy...
    As one of my previous colleagues (who had been in the USMC) used to say, "The Marines are a department of the Navy.....the MEN's department."
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    There are a couple of guys on my FD who have this marines vs. navy thing going and kid each other whenver it comes up.

    The jarheads say ""The Marines are a department of the Navy.....the MEN's department." and the swabbies say Marine stands for "Marines Always Ride In Navy Equipment..."

    Either way, I thank them for their service!
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    I just poking some fun at DaSharkie...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    The jarheads say ""The Marines are a department of the Navy.....the MEN's department." and the swabbies say Marine stands for "Marines Always Ride In Navy Equipment..."
    Or the line from a Few Good Men:

    No, I like all you Navy boys. Every time we've gotta go someplace and fight, you fellas always give us a ride.
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    Either way, I thank them for their service!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    DaSharkie, I figured u would celebrate the birthday of the navy....

    since the marine corps is a department of the navy...
    I do believe that SCFire and Captain Gonzo have both appropriately addressed this matter. Thank you gentlemen.

    Also note, that whenever you see a Marine in uniform and the playing of hymns of the various branches of the service are played, you will see Marines rise to the position of attention when "Anchors Away" is played. However, teh next song will always be the Marine Hymn and you will notice a more ramrod straight position of attention when played. We do show appropriate respect to our taxi drivers, many of whom have died in combat with us and supporting us - and to whom we are eternally greateful.


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    Still waiting for my easter answer and still too lazy to look it up!
    Many pagan peoples celebrated holidays around the same time. All had mostly to do with fertility. Spring...rebirth...stuff like that. Hence, the abundance of eggs (easter eggs) and bunnies, animals with a long history of being known to...well, you know.

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    Big difference. As new information becomes available science typically embraces the findings. Religious ideologues either oppose new findings and in some cases have punished those who promote new findings.
    Exactly. In science, whether your results are right or wrong, you are closer to the truth. This is not the case with religious dogma. It is right, and you are either right with it, or dead wrong. And history has always put a strong emphasis on the dead part.

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    DaSharkie-just dropped in watch your back, but, as usual:
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    Exactly. In science, whether your results are right or wrong, you are closer to the truth. This is not the case with religious dogma. It is right, and you are either right with it, or dead wrong. And history has always put a strong emphasis on the dead part.
    Most religions believe that they are the only true religion and that is why its hard to bring up points. They have been taught one thing... and even though they make not even have a clue as to why they have been taught that or even what it means, that is what they believe and wont be changed. Can also be related to politics and even science. Many of the early astronomers, even though they could prove facts were dismissed by politicians, religous leaders and what not.

    Most religions are dead set are a key number of issues and when something comes along that might, I wont say discredit it, but might disagree with something, they must ban and shun it. For instance, how old the world is. Science proves that its millions of years old. Religion states that the world was made in 6 days...
    Who is right?

    And what is a day? For those that believe in God... would a day be a 24hr period? Or could it be thousands of years, if not millions of years?

    I should probably get off this religous topic but it gives me something to do. For the most part, religion and science SHOULD go together. But, every side has its radicals.
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    I'm still dissatisfied with the Easter answers. While Christmas can be said to have been placed on the same day as a prominant pagan holiday, for easter all I get is some vague "Well lots of pagans had spring rituals." Now I'll have to go look up why it is such a specific date. You have all failed me and forced me to do my own work. I'm very disappointed in you all. Espcially you noz.....
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