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    Question Helmet Question - Traditional Vs. Salad Bowl

    I am looking for information.....

    While at my paid job, I wear a leather helmet, my volunteer department insists on us wearing salad bowls.

    I have managed to talk a group of the guys to at least switch to the fake leathers (probably the Morning Pride Ben 2).

    What I am looking for is any reasons why a traditional style composite helmet would be better than a salad bowl style composite helmet ?

    (other than they look better......I tried this reason and did not get far !)

    Thanks for the help !

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    A helmet band may be used on a traditional lid for holding such things as a flashlight, sprinkler wedges, door chocks, etc.
    A band will not work (not very well, anyway) on a salad bowl.

    Other than that, I don't know of any other argument, unless you want to use tradition and pride as leverage.
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    Me- I have found that function is the best option. Whats works the best over just looking a certain way.

    The citizens never really cared what I wore anyways. I suggest buy and wear what is comfortable for an extended period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU View Post
    The citizens never really cared what I wore anyways.
    That's painfully obvious to all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireman4949 View Post
    That's painfully obvious to all.
    They just want their problems handled. Besides, the chicks dig me regardless of what helmet I wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireman4949 View Post
    A helmet band may be used on a traditional lid for holding such things as a flashlight, sprinkler wedges, door chocks, etc.
    A band will not work (not very well, anyway) on a salad bowl.
    This statement has no basis in fact. A vast majority of the departments around here wear "tactical tupperware", and most of us wear bands with chocks/wedges, nails/golf tees on our "salad bowls", and have no problem doing so.
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    A helmet band may be used on a traditional lid for holding such things as a flashlight, sprinkler wedges, door chocks, etc.
    A band will not work (not very well, anyway) on a salad bowl.

    This statement has no basis in fact. A vast majority of the departments around here wear "tactical tupperware", and most of us wear bands with chocks/wedges, nails/golf tees on our "salad bowls", and have no problem doing so."

    I think the helmet bands can work with the Phenix "salad bowls" because of the shape. If you are talking about a Cairns Metro or similar shaped helmet, a helmet band won't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cap6888 View Post
    I think the helmet bands can work with the Phenix "salad bowls" because of the shape. If you are talking about a Cairns Metro or similar shaped helmet, a helmet band won't work.
    Before we went to the Phenix TL-2, I had a 660C which had a band and chocks.
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    Default Traditional bettter...

    The helmet band is good....

    How about the safety factor with scalding water?! The back of a traditional helmet sticks out further past your back and less water would drip down your neck?

    Just an idea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rtrudeau View Post
    The helmet band is good....

    How about the safety factor with scalding water?! The back of a traditional helmet sticks out further past your back and less water would drip down your neck?

    Just an idea...
    Did an attic fire last night...didn't have any such problem. I also keep my turnout collar flipped up all the time, though, specially in back. That might've had something to do with it.
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    Me- I dont use helmet bands. Those "pocket" things work wonders.

    More junk on your head means more stuff melt. And yes, more weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU View Post
    More junk on your head means more stuff melt. And yes, more weight.
    if my wooden door chock melts, the I have got more problems than I'm wearing the wrong type of helmet.... just wanted to say....
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    I've never seen documentation or anything to reinforce it, but I've "heard" that the ridges on a traditional helmet provide more strength than the standard mold of the turtle shells. May be BS, may be some truth, I really don't know. Anyone know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtrudeau View Post
    How about the safety factor with scalding water?! The back of a traditional helmet sticks out further past your back and less water would drip down your neck?

    Just an idea...

    I know that this will be starting a fecal hurricane, but why do the helmets of our European brothers and sisters have no 'tail fin' at all? Could it be that advances in fire gear has made the 'tail fin' unnecessary?

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    I dont know what kind of helmets you guys have, as in the salad bowl, but on my departent, the juniors have to wear them (with the exception of the guys who bought their own i.e. leather) and they are uncomfortble and sit way to high on my head and I believe they are either an older cairns or bullard model I believe its bullard because the trad. we have are bullard. They are light in terms of a helmet but they make traditionals that are somewhat light. Just don't go with the Bullard traditionals, way too heavy.

    my 2 cents.

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    Whatever they give me.

    I've worn the rounded lids and the traditional lids (although not leather).

    The bowl shaped helmets were lighter and less bulky, but that's it.

    I've found no other difference, none. I've never had water drip down my neck with either, and never felt that one was more protective than the other.

    I think that those in favor of one over another is because of the asthetics or traditions of their background.

    The only thing I really don't like is when you have a mixed bag in the same company. I like that I can look at a group and pick out "my" guys.
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    Could be the cost as well. I notice you can pick up the Modern Helmets cheaper than you can Traditional Helmets. Departments around where I live are tight budgeted, and even mine is but we still use Cairns 1010's, some older 880's, and a grand total of 3 Leathers.

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    The band is just to hold the flashlight (primarily while it is ON). Other storage takes place in the pockets. When I had a metro, I had one of the clips that held a flashlight without the inner tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite View Post
    if my wooden door chock melts, the I have got more problems than I'm wearing the wrong type of helmet.... just wanted to say....
    Last time I checked, wood can burn. So you might have the wrong type of helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayFireEater View Post
    Just don't go with the Bullard traditionals, way too heavy.

    my 2 cents.
    Scroll to the bottom.
    http://www.bullard.com/Fire_Rescue/h...ction_12.shtml

    IMO if your going to go with a modern looking helmet than get the best one made. The Phenix 1500 First Due weighing in at 32 ounces. Bullard modern helmets are at least 50 ounces, and the Cairns 360 modern is 44 ounces.

    Most make the statement they like the modern helmets because they are lighter yet they do not wear the lightest modern helmet made? Doesn't make sense.

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    Default Getting back to the original question

    Go to youtube.com search "firefighter training mishap" granted, these idiots should not have gone into that shed. That being said it illustrated what happens in a hot fire with a modern helmet. Pay attention to the helmet melting in flaming drops of multin plastic as the chief pulls the idiot probies out. Enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKDRAFT View Post
    Scroll to the bottom.
    http://www.bullard.com/Fire_Rescue/h...ction_12.shtml

    IMO if your going to go with a modern looking helmet than get the best one made. The Phenix 1500 First Due weighing in at 32 ounces. Bullard modern helmets are at least 50 ounces, and the Cairns 360 modern is 44 ounces.

    Most make the statement they like the modern helmets because they are lighter yet they do not wear the lightest modern helmet made? Doesn't make sense.
    ok I guess they are 'better'

    I was just saying because I expected my leather to be heavier but it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU View Post
    Me- I dont use helmet bands. Those "pocket" things work wonders.

    More junk on your head means more stuff melt. And yes, more weight.
    Since when do you wear your helmet on EMS runs and assuming you did...how would anything melt on it? Do you have lots of runs into old peoples houses where they have the furnace cranked to 89 degrees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayFireEater View Post
    ok I guess they are 'better'

    I was just saying because I expected my leather to be heavier but it wasn't.
    From your reply it sounds like you missed my point. That link was to show you that the Bullard UST traditional is the same weight as the Cairns 1010 traditional.

    I wear a n6a. It is heavier than most helmets. About 1/2 a pound actually. I could care less.

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    Personally I've never found one salad bowl that was as comfortable as a carins 1010.
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